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2008-05-03; 14:12:12 EDT
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Elle, My statement about W was a personal opinion. No one is being forced to agree with it (although 80% of the country currently does). It doesn't require any supporting evidence. Rummy :) In a message dated 5/3/2008 12:32:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, watermusic38 at yahoo.com writes: Herb said:See the original archive post
>do you see how someone in that minority group might say "Hey, waitaminnit Yes, I do....there's really no good answer... if the discussions can stay in ,at minimum, a quasi-factual realm & avoid the personal attacks, then then gentlemen, choose your sides. elle Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote: It's nice that you said "Yes, that appears to be true". So, I'll drop this particular line, and leave you with this thought: If that particular political leaning is in the minority here, but they are regularly being asked to drop the discussion (usually by those of the other politically leaning group), do you see how someone in that minority group might say "Hey, waitaminnit" elle wrote: > Herb, > >I pretty regularly see all sort of rudeness on here, and of late, it seems that those of a >certain political persuasion are the ones that are asked to turn peacemakers. > > Yes, that appears to be true....but someone has to be first to stop....and there's a lot to be said for the reasoned individual who sees the need to put an end to the discussion. > > It's hard....everyone wants to have the last word...(don't I know...;^) > > elle > > > > > Herb Parsons wrote: > I do hope you'll allow me to respectfully disagree with your > vision/view. I pretty regularly see all sort of rudeness on here, and of > late, it seems that those of a certain political persuasion are the ones > that are asked to turn peacemakers. > > In this case, the discussion never hit the "information" point, and > while I agree that I won't likely change anyone's mind about the main > topic (c'mon, few, if any, of these discussions ever do that), I would > like to think that there might be at least one or two folks out there > that read the discussions and think "Maybe calling ANYONE I don't know a > 'dumb son of a bitch" is a bit over the line". > > > elle wrote: > >> Herb, >> >> What I meant is that the discussion is past the 'information' point. You are not changing anyone's mind & they are not going to change yours. >> >> So any more discussion is a waste of time since y'all will just continue to argue.. >> >> I enjoy these discussions (usually) because of the divergent points of view and the (usually) intelligent discourse. But this discussion is past that point. >> >> I don't know you, have never seen you, but what I see in my mind is you holding one of the other Rhodies who disagrees with you up against a wall with your arm against his throat. I don't believe this is a true depiction of you but that is the image this discussion has presented. >> >> Perhaps we forget to remember that we are Rhodies-compatriots first; these discussions just fill in the blanks until we can all get back on the water. >> >> 'Pace,'...please. >> >> elle >> >> >> >> >> >> Herb Parsons wrote: >> You know elle, I'm convinced that one of the current ills of society are >> because no one has the guts to say something that's "against the >> majority". I'd say that this list is pretty much left-leaning. >> >> Rummy calls the president "dumb", and a "son of a bitch", and that's OK. >> >> I call him on it, and I should "give it a rest" >> >> Ed is regularly called all sorts of rude names on here, and that's cool >> (because so many think he's rude) >> >> I see a rude statement about the President, and give back what he's >> giving, and I'm chastised. >> >> A certain unnamed user cries foul for being accused of promoting >> socialist programs, when he talks about supporting socialist programs, >> and we are asked to not do that anymore, since he obviously finds it >> offensive (which, btw, I've done to this point), >> >> But then that same user regularly gets on her and makes snide comments >> about me, and often to me, and it's ignored. >> >> Frankly, I think a bunch of you guys are hypocrites. But that's OK, it >> still makes for interesting reading. >> >> I'm anxious to see if/when one of the lefties on say "Hey, that's a >> little over the top" when someone accuses a Harvard MBA and two term >> president of being a "dumb son of a bitch". >> >> When I DON'T see that happen, I'm going to guess it's OK to determine >> that it probably came from some ignorant hick, especially when it goes >> largely unsubstantiated beyond "becuase I said so". >> >> >> elle wrote: >> >> >>> Do ya think ya can give it a rest? >>> >>> 'Nytol...' >>> >>> elle >>> --- Herb Parsons wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm sure that the quantity has ensured that. Betcha >>>> that the President >>>> could say the same. >>>> >>>> But you didn't answer either question, you simply >>>> side-stepped them. >>>> >>>> Would insulting your mother break those rules that >>>> you talk about? >>>> Where does one draw the line? >>>> If I say there's no doubt in my mind that President >>>> Bush, who was smart >>>> enough to get a Masters from Harvard, is smarter >>>> than you - HAVE I >>>> insulted you, and does that break protocol? >>>> >>>> I suspect it's much easier to talk about the "dumb" >>>> "son of a bitch" >>>> than it is to actually show how you're better. >>>> >>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Herb, >>>>> I've been insulted by better people than you. Keep >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> trying as you will, this >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> president is a joke. >>>>> >>>>> Rummy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 10:06:25 P.M. Eastern >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Daylight Time, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> As I mentioned to another member, does that mean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> insulting your mother >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> is OK as well? Where do you draw the line Rummy? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And, if I say there's >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> no doubt in my mind that that President George W >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Bush, who was "smart >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> enough" to get a Masters in Business >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Administration from Harvard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Business school, is undoubtedly smarter than you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> does that mean I've >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> broken protocol by insulting you? >>>>> >>>>> Oh well, too bad. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Herb, >>>>>> The last time I checked, Bush was not a member of >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> this list, so calling >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> him >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> a son of a bitch is acceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rummy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 4:15:44 P.M. Eastern >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> Daylight Time, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes: >>>>>> >>>>>> OK folks.Where the admonitions about "personal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> attacks." Some idiot gets >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> on here and calls the President of the Nation a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> "son of a bitch", and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> that's OK. However, calling Robert a loser >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> because of his pathetic >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Bush-hating nonsense is somehow bad bad stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not true. Many of us have questioned his >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> military service, but have >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> never >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> been given the straight answers. It seems that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> privileged children live >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> privileged lives, even in the military. Since >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> it's already Friday and I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> have a ton >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> of yard wok to do this weekend and won't be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> actively on the list, I will >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> leave >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> with this parting comment. Our current >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> president is the dumbest son of a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> bitch that's ever taken the oath of office. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> History will back me up on >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Rummy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:44:43 P.M. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> rlowe at vt.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nobody questioned his service, Herb. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" >>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:34 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] This day in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> history >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And, I'll add, bitch all you want to about >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> his politics. When you >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> insult >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> his service, you're being a jerk. THAT was >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> what was pathetic. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Herb's a big boy and can defend himself, so >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> I'll let him. I too >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> feel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> frustrations at times though. The carrier >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> landing was a celebration >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> men and women who had been at sea for a good >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> long while in support of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Iraqi liberation. They were honored to have >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> been visited by their >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Commander >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in Chief and it showed on their faces. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> President Bush didn't >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> immediately >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> rush for the Admiral's quarters, he spent a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> lot of time with the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> 'grunts' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> taking photos, hugging them, etc. It was >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> obvious they loved having >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> him >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> aboard and watching it live made me proud to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> be an American. Was it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> political event as well? Everything a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> politician does is a political >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> event. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Today's newspaper is the first draft of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> history and often wrong in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> reporting and analysis. Go read a newspaper >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> from 1948 to 1952 and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> see >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> popular Truman was at the time. Some >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> people are so jaded by their >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> BDS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Bush >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Derangement Syndrome) that they can't see >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> anything positive in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> anything. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> are probably a classic case. Bush's term >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> is almost over and it might >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> time for everyone to move on to tomorrow's >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> problems. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me say this - when I think critics are >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> taking delight in the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> difficulty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and losses our military is encountering >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> because it suits their >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> political >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> slant, it pisses me off to no end. Frankly, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> I don't think we should >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> engaged in 2/3rds of the deployments we did >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> under Clinton, and I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> didn't >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> still don't like the Clintons. That said, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> I want to see any >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> engagement >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> where we put our troops in harm's way to go >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> well regardless of how I >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> may >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> personally feel about the commander. My >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> guess is, Herb gets upset >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> for >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> same reasons I do. 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