Andrew,
I have told this story several times before. Stan doesn't like to hear  about 
it because it involved four very seasoned sailors, increasing wind speed  and 
massive quantities of rum. It was not a broach. :)
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2008 5:17:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
engineerpac at gmail.com writes:

Rummy

It was a mix of salt and fresh. My water tank has an air  vent valve with a
little float in it, so that should have prevented the  tank from emptying
much. My curiosity is now piqued so I will visit the  boat tonight and check
the water level in the tank. Then I might have to go  sailing.

As mentioned, the carpet, cushions, etc were dry, so the pop  top did not
admit much of anything.

The ports are also not suspects  as the galley counter had paper and rags on
it- all dry, cushions all dry.  My money is on the hull deck joint, and I
solemnly promise to search the  archives for the caulking procedure and to
change the subject line if I  have anything to add after searching. Of
course, I am also not going to do  anything without calling Stan!

Now, tell us about the time you laid her  on her side ...I only ask in order
to avoid doing the same. Was it a  broach?

Andrew

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:48 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:

> I just had another thought.  The time that I laid Rum Runner over on her
>  side
> while  under sail, water did come into the cabin over the deck. With the pop
>  top in the lower position, it could allow water to enter the cabin. With  
80
> mph  winds, it could also just blow in. The pop top isn't  sealed tight to
> the
> deck.
>
>  Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:44:54 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
>  R22RumRunner at aol.com  writes:
>
> Andrew,
> Speaking from first hand experience, I  can assure you that  when laid over,
> the sink drain is indeed in  the water. I do not know  if it would allow
> water
>
>  into the cabin because it would depend on  the height of the sink at  that
> angle.
> My guess would be that the water  came in  from the hull/deck joint. It's an
> easy  thing to fix. Once   again, it's been covered many times on this list,
> but
> if  you  can't  find anything in the archives, I will be glad to repeat  the
> instructions  I  got from Sir Stanley.
> Another  source of water could be your water  tank. It has an air valve  
that
> could let water out when laid over.  Do you know if the  water in the bilge
> was
> salt water or fresh   water?????
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated  7/1/2008 11:00:47 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
>  engineerpac at gmail.com  writes:
>
> Rob
>
>  Backflow through the sink is possible as it is open,  but the   increased
> flotation when the flare is in the water would   probably still  keep the
> drain
> at some height above  the   water.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Lowe,  Rob  <rlowe at vt.edu>  wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> > If it's the   starboard  side and it was a knock down situation, how about
>  >  backflow through the  sink drain?  -  rob
>  >
> >
> >
> > -----Original   Message-----
> >  From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >    [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>  collins
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:51 PM
> > To: The  Rhodes  22  Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Water Under V Berth?  Water in  side &
> >  forwardbilges; Reply to Andrew, Michael C  et  al...
>  >
> > MJM and Ed
> >
> > The water is   behaving as  Michael described. The bilge is now dry with
>  >  very
> > little water  seeping in from the adjacent  bilge  compartments, so
> > happiness
> >   abounds. Three or four 1/4"  holes thru the partitions from the  bilge
>  to
> > the
> > forward  and port  compartments will speed up drtainage  if it happens
> >   again.
> >
> > The boat is a 1986 recycled in  2006.  Leakage has  historically been wind
> > driven rain into  the  starboard hatch and  under the pop top, but this
> >  last
> > one only  when on the  trailer. My guess is that  the wind builds up a
> >  little
> >  wavelet at  the pop top and manages to push it over the lip. The    
amount
> > is
> > not worth worrying about.
> > All  thru  hull  fittings are closed and connections are dry. New  hoses
> >  were
> >  fitted this year.
>  > The source of water from the  knock down: now  wouldn't I like  to know!
> > From
> > drip marks  and debris trails  on  the interior of the hull under the
> >  galley
>  > counter, I reckon it  was on its starboard side (also the  port  fender
> was
> > in
> > the  cockpit). So the  hull deck joint  is the prime suspect, and this
> will
>  >  get
> > inspected in the  fall. No water seemed to  come in through  ports,
> > hatches,  or
> >  companionway, the carpet was dry ... so the  forensic effort  CSI  Grass
> > Island is ended.
> >
> > I will   search the  archives for the deck-hull connection info and/or
>  >   caulking
> > procedure.
> >
> >  Thanks for the   advice.
> >
> > Andrew
>  > s/v   Carmen
> >
> >
> >
>  > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM,  Tootle   <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
>  >  >
> >  > Andrew & Michael C:
> >  >
> > >  Andrew, I do not  remember where you are or  what year your boat is.
> A
> > >  little
> >  > more information would be  helpful.  Regardless, you  need  to
> > immediately
> > >  determine the source of  the  water.
> > >
> > > Possible  sources  include the vent that  Michael C keeps asking about.
> >   Or,
> > > is
> > > it your  fresh water tank or  hoses and  connections to it?  A search of
> >   the
> > > archives  might reveal where another boat needed a  new tank or  hoses
> >  (for
> > > sure).   This issue needs to be addressed  before  you sustain water
>  > damage.
> > >
> > > Michael C -   the  shelf is where it was... yes, it can catch stray
> drops
>  >  of
> >  > water.  The idea was not mine, so  there are other  Nicro vents  out
> > there on
> >  > Rhodes 22's.  What  they did with their  trays is a  question waiting
> for
> > an
> >  >  answer.
> >  >
> > > About the list  answering  questions lately, there are reasons  for the
> >  > failure
> >  > of the list to appropriately and   quickly respond to  questions.  This
> > is
> >  > prime  vacation time.   There are several members of the  forum on
> >  vacation
> > >  this week and  others getting ready to go next  week.
> > >
>  >  > Then there are the archives and newbies need  to use  them.   Older
> > members
> > > have answered  the same  questions many  times.  I joined this motley
>  > crew in
> > >  the last  century.  At a point  some just get tired of typing the  same
> >  words
>  > > and answers, so use the archives to do simple    research.  If you do
> not
> > know
> > >  how,  ask.
> >  >
> > > Then another answer  is political.   This forum has a  predominance of
> >  social
> > > democrats  and beltway bureaucrats  who  talk a good deed but stumble on
> > >  routine blue  collar  help.  The exception is the signee who claims   
to
> > be an
> >  > enlightened capitalist.   The help  that this list has given  is
> >  gratuitous.
> > >  Unfortunately many recipients' of  the  help, no longer nor maybe
>  never
> >  have,
> > > feel any obligation  to continue the   gift.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, there are those   who ascribe  to keeping the list email
> > volume
> >  > low.   The  failure to do so has irritated them that they  no longer
> > >   subscribe.
> > > While  this is a loss, it is really a demonstration  of  a short fuse  
or
> > the
> > > above stated failure to  continue  the  gift.
> > >
> > > Andrew, I encourage you  to  repost your  questions and research the
> >  archives.
> > >  Again, find the  source of the water  problem.
> > >
> > >  Ed K
> >  >  Greenville, SC, USA
> > >
> > >   --
> > > View this  message in context:
> >  >    http://www.nabble.com/Water-Under-V-Berth--tp18164488p18179820.html
>  >   > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at  Nabble.com.
> >   >
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