Andrew,
Am I to understand that you actually drilled holes in the stringers? If  this 
is what you have done, did you do anything to seal the now exposed wood? 
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 7/2/2008 12:32:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
engineerpac at gmail.com writes:

Mike

No, the sink drain goes directly out the hull above the  waterline. A valve
there sounds like a good idea.

The genoa  restraining tie is a practice I am adopting as of now. My mooring
location  is one of swirling winds and at times the south-facing harbor mouth
allows  the wind to come in unobstructed. Should the genoa get loose, there
would  be havoc as the adjacent moorings are occupied by 30-40 footers all
worth  10 times what mine is worth, and then there rocks.

A check of the water  tank showed that it did not spill much of anything, but
the ball check vent  on it is only a vent, no ball.
I drilled holes laterally into the adjacent  bilge compartments and this
helps the drainage into the center compartment.  The forward compartment is
lower than the one containing the CB trunk, but  the water can be sponged
from there. Sitting in the back of the boat for a  while brings it out. So
progress is being made and all the compartments are  now only damp.

thanks

Andrew

On Tue, Jul 1,  2008 at 6:04 PM, Michael D. Weisner  <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> The  more I read about this "knock down" while moored, the more it sounds
>  like water that came in the sink line and ran backwards into the bilge
>  through a bilge pump with a bad check valve.  Do you have a pump  connected
> to the sink discharge line?
>
> A few years ago,  the harbormaster called me to inform me that my Rhodes
> went
>  sailing without me and was heeled over with the Genoa fully deployed,  at
> anchor.  It seems that the Genoa unfurled and developed enough  force to
> drag
> our 200 lb. mushroom anchor out of the mud and  about 500 feet!  When I got
> on board, she was far enough over to  starboard that the sink line was in
> the
> water and we had taken  on water through the bilge pump.  A new pump solved
> that problem  and I never leave her without securing 2 sail ties around the
> Genoa to  prevent deployment even if the furling line breaks.
>
>  Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River,  NY
>
> From: "andrew collins" <engineerpac at gmail.com>Sent:  Tuesday, July 01, 2008
> 5:16 PM
>  > Rummy
>  >
> > It was a mix of salt and fresh. My water tank has an air  vent valve with
> a
> > little float in it, so that should have  prevented the tank from emptying
> > much. My curiosity is now piqued  so I will visit the boat tonight and
> > check
> > the water  level in the tank. Then I might have to go sailing.
> >
> >  As mentioned, the carpet, cushions, etc were dry, so the pop top did  not
> > admit much of anything.
> >
> > The ports  are also not suspects as the galley counter had paper and rags
> >  on
> > it- all dry, cushions all dry. My money is on the hull deck  joint, and I
> > solemnly promise to search the archives for the  caulking procedure and to
> > change the subject line if I have  anything to add after searching. Of
> > course, I am also not going  to do anything without calling Stan!
> >
> > Now, tell us  about the time you laid her on her side ...I only ask in
> >  order
> > to avoid doing the same. Was it a broach?
>  >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at  11:48 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I  just had another thought. The time that I laid Rum Runner over on her
>  >>  side
> >> while under sail, water did come into the  cabin over the deck. With the
> >> pop
> >> top in the  lower position, it could allow water to enter the cabin. With
> >>  80
> >> mph  winds, it could also just blow in. The pop top  isn't sealed tight
> to
> >> the
> >>  deck.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
>  >>
> >> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:44:54 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
> >>  R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
>  >>
> >> Andrew,
> >> Speaking from first hand  experience, I can assure you that  when laid
> >>  over,
> >> the sink drain is indeed in the water. I do not  know  if it would allow
> >> water
> >>
>  >> into the cabin because it would depend on  the height of the  sink at
> that
> >> angle.
> >> My guess would  be that the water  came in from the hull/deck joint. It's
>  >> an
> >> easy  thing to fix. Once  again, it's  been covered many times on this
> >> list,
> >>  but
> >> if you  can't  find anything in the archives, I  will be glad to repeat
> >> the
> >>  instructions  I  got from Sir Stanley.
> >> Another  source of water could be your water  tank. It has an air valve
>  >> that
> >> could let water out when laid over.  Do  you know if the water in the
> >> bilge
> >>  was
> >> salt water or fresh  water?????
>  >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
>  >> In a message dated 7/1/2008 11:00:47 A.M.  Eastern Daylight  Time,
> >> engineerpac at gmail.com  writes:
>  >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> Backflow  through the sink is possible as it is open,  but the   
increased
> >> flotation when the flare is in the water  would  probably still  keep the
> >> drain
>  >> at some height above the   water.
> >>
>  >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Lowe,  Rob   <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >  Andrew,
> >> > If it's the  starboard  side and it  was a knock down situation, how
> >> > about
> >>  >  backflow through the  sink drain?  -  rob
>  >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>  > -----Original  Message-----
> >> >  From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >    [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of andrew
>  >> collins
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:51  PM
> >> > To: The Rhodes  22  Email List
>  >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water Under V Berth?  Water  in  side &
> >> > forwardbilges; Reply to Andrew,  Michael C  et  al...
> >> >
> >> > MJM  and Ed
> >> >
> >> > The water is  behaving  as  Michael described. The bilge is now dry
> with
> >>  >  very
> >> > little water  seeping in from the  adjacent bilge  compartments, so
> >> > happiness
>  >> >  abounds. Three or four 1/4"  holes thru the  partitions from the 
bilge
> >>  to
> >> >  the
> >> > forward  and port compartments will speed up  drtainage  if it happens
> >> >  again.
>  >> >
> >> > The boat is a 1986 recycled in  2006.  Leakage has  historically been
> >> > wind
>  >> > driven rain into the  starboard hatch and  under the  pop top, but 
this
> >> > last
> >> > one  only  when on the  trailer. My guess is that the wind builds up  a
> >> >  little
> >> >  wavelet at  the pop top and manages to push it over the lip. The
> >> >  amount
> >> > is
> >> > not worth worrying  about.
> >> > All thru  hull  fittings are closed and  connections are dry. New hoses
> >> >  were
>  >> >  fitted this year.
> >> > The source of  water from the  knock down: now  wouldn't I like to
>  know!
> >> > From
> >> > drip marks  and  debris trails on  the interior of the hull under the
> >>  >  galley
> >> > counter, I reckon it  was on its  starboard side (also the  port fender
> >> was
>  >> > in
> >> > the  cockpit). So the hull deck  joint  is the prime suspect, and this
> >> will
>  >> >  get
> >> > inspected in the  fall. No  water seemed to come in through  ports,
> >> >  hatches,  or
> >> > companionway, the carpet was dry ...  so the  forensic effort  CSI
> Grass
> >> >  Island is ended.
> >> >
> >> > I will   search the  archives for the deck-hull connection info and/or
>  >> >   caulking
> >> > procedure.
>  >> >
> >> > Thanks for the   advice.
>  >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> >  s/v   Carmen
> >> >
> >> >
>  >> >
> >> > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:43 AM,   Tootle  <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >>  >  >
> >> >  > Andrew & Michael  C:
> >> > >
> >> > >  Andrew, I do  not  remember where you are or what year your boat is.
> >>  A
> >> > >  little
> >> > > more  information would be  helpful.  Regardless, you  need  to
> >> > immediately
> >> > >   determine the source of the  water.
> >> > >
>  >> > > Possible  sources include the vent that  Michael  C keeps asking
> >> > > about.
> >> >   Or,
> >> > > is
> >> > > it your   fresh water tank or hoses and  connections to it?  A search
>  >> > > of
> >> >  the
> >> >  > archives  might reveal where another boat needed a new tank  or
>  hoses
> >> >  (for
> >> >  > sure).  This issue needs to be addressed  before  you  sustain water
> >> > damage.
> >> > >
>  >> > > Michael C -   the shelf is where it was... yes,  it can catch stray
> >> drops
> >> >   of
> >> >  > water.  The idea was not mine, so  there are other  Nicro vents  out
> >> > there  on
> >> > > Rhodes 22's.  What  they did with  their  trays is a question waiting
> >> for
> >>  > an
> >> >  > answer.
> >> >   >
> >> > > About the list answering  questions  lately, there are reasons  for
> >> > > the
>  >> > > failure
> >> >  > of the list to  appropriately and  quickly respond to  questions.
> >>  > This
> >> > is
> >> > > prime   vacation time.   There are several members of the forum on
>  >> >  vacation
> >> > >  this week and  others getting ready to go next  week.
> >> > >
>  >> >  > Then there are the archives and newbies need  to  use them.   Older
> >> > members
> >>  > > have answered the same  questions many  times.  I  joined this 
motley
> >> > crew in
> >> >  >  the last  century.  At a point some just get tired of  typing the
> >> > > same
> >> >   words
> >> > > and answers, so use the archives to do  simple   research.  If you do
> >> not
>  >> > know
> >> > > how,  ask.
> >>  >  >
> >> > > Then another answer is  political.   This forum has a  predominance
> of
>  >> > social
> >> > > democrats  and beltway  bureaucrats  who talk a good deed but stumble
> >> > >  on
> >> > >  routine blue collar  help.  The  exception is the signee who claims
> >> > > to
>  >> > be an
> >> >  > enlightened  capitalist.  The help  that this list has given  is
>  >> > gratuitous.
> >> > >  Unfortunately many  recipients' of the  help, no longer nor maybe
> >>   never
> >> > have,
> >> > > feel any  obligation  to continue the  gift.
> >> >  >
> >> > > Furthermore, there are those  who  ascribe  to keeping the list email
> >> > volume
>  >> > > low.   The  failure to do so has irritated  them that they no longer
> >> > >    subscribe.
> >> > > While this is a loss, it is really a  demonstration  of  a short fuse
> >> > >  or
> >> > the
> >> > > above stated failure  to  continue the  gift.
> >> > >
> >>  > > Andrew, I encourage you to  repost your  questions and  research the
> >> > archives.
> >> > >   Again, find the  source of the water problem.
> >> >  >
> >> > >  Ed K
> >> > >   Greenville, SC, USA
> >> > >
> >> >  >  --
> >> > > View this  message in  context:
> >> > >
>  http://www.nabble.com/Water-Under-V-Berth--tp18164488p18179820.html
>  >> >   > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at  Nabble.com.
> >> >   >
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