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Ed,
Are you forgetting to take your meds again?

Rummy

In a message dated 8/26/2008 8:26:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ekroposki at charter.net writes:

Eric:

Robert Skinner wrote you to exclude political  comments other than those of
progressives.  It is important to  understand why there are those who want
you to disregard creeping  socialism.  It is like putting a frog in cold
water and slowly turning  up the heat.  It is too late before the frog
realizes the water has  boiled. 

It is important to always know where the writer or speaker is  coming from. 
For example in discussions on this forum the writer of that  comment said of
Eliot Spitzer's philandering that private acts should be  excluded from
public retribution.  However is has been demonstrated  that, "It is a private
act with public consequences." Jim DeMint and David  Woodard.

Why is this discussion very important today?  It is  important because Obama
is the Democrat candidate for President of  USA.  It is very important to
evaluate not how Obama appears and is  portrayed by the media but what he
factually stands for.  Obama's  political ideology is found in his words and
his mentors.   

Obama states that he is a 'Progressive' and stands for change.  A  current
analysis of the word 'Progressive' shows that it’s current meaning  to be
analogous to Marxism.  The same system of political economy that  gave us
Lenin, Hitler, Castro, etc.  It means government control of  the political
economy.

In Chicago, there was in the 1900's a man  named W.E.B. Dubose.  He was a
black man that espoused Marxism and was  an acknowledged Communist.  In fact,
he renounced his U. S.  Citizenship and moved to the Soviet Union.  

W.E.B. Dubose had  followers and acolytes in the Chicago area.  One of those
incorporated  Dubose thinking into religion.  That was the Rev. James Cone. 
Rev.  Cone’s writings on theology were incorporated into Obama’s former
church by  Rev. Wright.  If Obama did not believe this Marxist theology, why
did  he stay a member of that church for over twenty years? 

The fact that  he believed that Marxist theology is demonstrated in the words
that Obama  uses.  While his current speech writers work hard to hide that  by
toning down his language, an understanding of his past words and  beliefs
shows that he still believes in Marxism.

Why is this  important?  Tocqueville observed that “America arrived at a
state of  democracy without having to endure a democratic revolution… They
are born  equal without having to become equal.”  American democracy was
based  on property rights and capitalism.

Progressives slowly snip away  property rights and its associated obligations
toward the government  performing their favorite charities.  The freedoms we
Americans have  are based on the economic system of democratic capitalism,
not Marxism.  
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An understanding of Marxism leads one to understand the statement  that new
terminology means the same old concepts.  To say that one is  a ‘Flexible
Thinker, Economic Conservative’ cannot be accurate.  If  one accepts
‘Progressive’ thinking, then ones economics are ‘Socialist’.  

It is important to distinguish the democratic capitalist system  from
Progressivism, Socialism, Marxism because those latter systems  have
demonstrated economic failure and tyranny.  

I ask all  Americans to choose freedom.

Respectfully submitted:
Ed  K

Robert Skinner  wrote:

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