Lee,
You have the right idea. Never try to do anything to difficult on the  Rhodes 
unless you have had sufficient lubricant to ease the brain pain. What  works 
well for one sailor  won't necessarily work for another. Trial and  error my 
friend. 
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 9/24/2008 9:12:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:


Rummy, Mary Lou and other whisker users:

I went out and  bought Rummy's recommended pole.  If I break it I might
consider a  better pole, but I'm much more likely to lose it overboard.  I
like  Rummy's idea of hooking it to a shroud instead of the mast.  I'm  a
little concerned about damaging the shroud, but if Rummy's  extreme
bury-the-bow sailing doesn't break anything, I doubt that my light  wind runs
will.

I'll probably figure this out through trial and  error, but it's easier and
safer to ask you experts.  If I'm  singlehandling in light winds on a run and
want to attach the whisker pole  to the 175% Genoa, do I lengthen the pole to
the desired size; then pull  the Genoa clew back to the cockpit; then insert
the pole into the clew;  then try to keep tension on the pole and sail while
I slowly release the  sheet while walking the clamp end of the pole to the
shroud?

Even in  light winds with the tiller locked, this seems a little awkward in
my  mind.  An alternative would be to set the sail and try to hit the  hole
with the pole from 12 feet away.  I don't think I could do that  sober.

Any advice on anything related to my new toy would be  helpful.  Thanks!

Lee



R22RumRunner wrote:

>  
> Lee,
> Captain Keller and I both use the Forespar small twist  lock pole that goes 
 
> from 6 to 12 feet. It has a snap lock on  one end (boat end) and a spike on
> the  
> sail end. It is  relatively inexpensive so if you lose it overboard or
> happen 
>  to  break it the pain of replacing it won't be so great. 
>  Forespar part # 406000
> WM part # 111179
> Back when I bought  mine they were around $125.00. Now they are closer to  
> $150.00,  but it really is a worthwhile expenditure. Everyone knows I don't
>  go  
> for the gadgets because they either break or are in the way,  but this is
> one  
> piece of hardware I use a lot. It will  store nicely in the storage
> compartments  
> on either side  of the V berth.
> I placed a hook on the front of the mast, but have  never used it. I
> usually  
> attach it to a lower part of a  shroud which is more easily accessible from
> the 
>  cockpit  when under sail. I find it to be fun to experiment with. It
>  really  
> stretches out the 175 and makes it an awesome sight  going wing on wing.
> Try 
> that  in 10 mile an hour winds  and you will understand what extreme
> sailing is 
> all   about. I have actually buried the bow before I was able to release 
>  everything  and turn upwind. Washed the decks clean and even cleaned  the
> carpet in 
> the  cabin. :) 
>  
>  Rummy
>  
>  
> In a message dated 9/22/2008  1:39:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> LKUHN at cnmc.org  writes:
> 
> Rummy,
> 
> Last week I sent an email to  Stan for some parts.  I  also asked him if he 
> had a used  whisker pole lying around.
> 
> Assuming he  doesn't have an  old one, do you have any recommendations on
> what 
> pole  works  well with the  Rhodes?
> 
> Thanks!
>  
> Lee
> 
> ________________________________
>  
> From:  R22RumRunner at aol.com  [mailto:R22RumRunner at aol.com]
> Sent: Mon 9/22/2008  11:33  AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing Problem
> 
> 
> 
>  Lee,
> With a whisker pole you could have  left the full 175 genny  out and really 
> had a ride going wing on  wing.
> 
>  Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 9/22/2008 11:08:26  A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
> LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:
>  
> Paul,
> 
> Don't  know if this helps but on Saturday  I went out  single-handed with 
> the
> winds very consistent  at about 10 to 10.5  knots.
> 
> Board  down, traveler  centered, full main, poptop up, sheets  between 
> inner
>  and outer shrouds across the deck, Genoa furled just past the    outer
> shroud 
> to
> about 115%.  Tiller locked in  the center.   Heel  between 10 and 15
> degrees. 
>  Body weight mostly on windward  seat.   Chop was only a little  more than 
a 
> foot. 
> Speed was  consistent at just   above 4 knots.  Tacked and after recovery  
> there
>  was a 90 degree  difference on the compass, which would be  exactly  45
> degrees
> into the  wind.  By that calculation I  could  have been doing 40 degrees
> on
> one tack  and  50 degrees on the other  but it's doubtful.  Heel was
>  slightly 
> more
> on  the starboard tack  due to the  weight of the motor.
> 
> I was a little  surprised that  the  boat would do that well with the
> poptop
> up, boom up,  and  without the  sheets being ran across the poptop between
>  the
> mast and inner   shroud.  I still believe that in  the right conditions the 
> boat
> will  do  better than  40 degrees, although I don't know how much speed
> would 
>  be  
> lost.
> 
> Decided to complete the triangle and  sail back to the  marina  entrance on
> a
> run with the  wind and waves directly behind  me.  Furled in  the Genoa  and
> released the boom so it was just  touching the shrouds.   The  loose-footed 
> main was
> still pulled  flat tight  and the inner shroud protruded  into the sail.  
> Not
>  exactly optimal sail shape for the  point-of-sail.  Pulled up   the 
> centerboard. 
> Speed was about 5 knots,  but I think  the waves  helped a lot.  Sailing
> with
> just the main  is  certainly an easy  means of sailing with the wind. 
>  Tiller
> again was  locked to the  center and my weight was  balanced in the center
> of 
> the 
> boat.
> 
>  Had  time to do another triangle so I tried it with the exact  same   
> conditions
> but with the centerboard  up.  Compass reading difference  was  98 degrees
>  and
> speed picked up about 0.3 knots.  Heeled  increased  but  less than 5
> degrees.
> 
> On a scale of 1 to 10,  I hate  to rate anthing a  10, so I'll give the
>  sailing
> conditions on Saturday  a   9.9.
>  
> Lee
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ________________________________
> 
> From:   Alan  Robertson [mailto:bigal_61 at msn.com]
> Sent: Sun 9/21/2008  10:11   PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
> 
> 
>  
> I realize that you sail a lot single  handed; we don't.   The only time we
> can
> point up closer is to run the  jib  sheets inside of the  outmost shrouds,
> sit
> any "friendly"  guests  over 150 lbs. on the windward side  with life 
>  preservers
> buckled and  get THOR IV over on a nice 12-15 degree  heel.  Anything more
> or
> any  weight on the leeward  side means a mop-up job if the  non-sailors
> have  
>  just
> had lunch!
> Bigal_61 at msn.com
> 
> -----  Original  Message  -----
> From: Paul    Krawitz<mailto:krawitzmail-rhodes22 at yahoo.com>
> To:    rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>  Sent:  Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject:  [Rhodes22-list]  Pointing  Problem
> 
> 
> I love  the way my Rhodes 22 handles in all  points of  sail except when  it
> is
> close hauled.
> In my  narrow harbor,  being  able to point close to the wind is the  
>  difference
> between returning  home in 30 minutes versus 3   hours.
> 
> Now I'm not asking to be able  to be 30 degrees  off the  wind like those
> two
> guys racing around in  a  catamaran with no  seating and two angled
>  standing
> platforms, and like  members of the  Joffrey  Ballet, gracefully leaping
> from
> one side to  the  other,  making smooth and instantaneous tacks and
>  traveling
> at 15  knots (no  exaggeration).
> (P.S.  What is that thing?)
> 
> But it  would  be nice to make  90 degree rather than 110 or 120 degree 
> tacks.
> 
> Stan  put in two internal lead systems on the new Rhodes, in  which the  
> jib
> sheets travel either inside one or two of the  shrouds.  But the  sail area
> is
> so much smaller with  the new system that making  headway  is difficult.
> 
>  Furling the genoa jib 50% with the sheets  on their  normal path  outside
> the
> shrouds seems to be the best  compromise,  but  I'm still 50-60 degrees off
> the
> wind.
>  
> I  tried  tightening the backstays to stiffen up the jib  luff. The jib 
> looks
> cleaner, but I'm still too far off the  wind.
> 
> And yes,  the  centerboard is down.
>  
> What works for you?
> 
> Paul   K
>  "Clarity"
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