Ben,
Shame on you. Wishing people Merry Christmas isn't allowed on this list. We  
must be politically correct (or we are wrong) by saying Happy Holidays. Come 
on  guy. Get with the program.
I am now going shopping with my wife to buy holiday presents for family and  
friends. There should be a bar or two along the way. It's the only way she can 
 get me to go shopping with her. :)
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 12/16/2008 4:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bcittadino at dcs-law.com writes:


Ed  and Herb;

Herb said,
"You know something Ben, that you totally miss  - EVERYONE thinks their 
cause is worthy, and EVERYONE thinks those causes  180 degrees opposite 
are wrong. 

The difference between you, and  others of your ilk, is the arrogance 
that says "Not only is my cause the  worthy one, but anyone that sees 
things differently is not only wrong, but  worthy of disdain, because I 
am so obviously right that anyone that  differs that strongly from me is 
unAmerican and wrong." 


Ed  said,
"Your  thought of arrogance is correct.  Arrogance is  especially noticeable 
in 
those who have loss touch with ordinary  people.  Arrogance is often  evident 
in those of self appointed  elites, many of higher formal  education." 

So let me get this  straight. A strong opinion as to the fundamental
"rightness" of one's  position on an issue (such as the evil of throwing
workers into the street  and out of their jobs, joking or not), equates with
"arrogance". That is  exactly what you both have said . So since EVERYONE
feels that way (that  their cause is right and the other guy's is wrong) I
assume there must not  be any absolute Right or Wrong according to your
philosophical outlook.  Therefor, in your view, all morality is relative only
to the person making  the judgment. Thus MY morality (fairness to workers and
disapproval of  jokes celebrating the hurting of workers) represents
arrogance to you Herb  and you Ed. My recollection is that both of you claim
to hold Christian  values. Does this mean that your strong opinions on, say,
abortion or stem  cell research are arrogant? If there is no fundamental
Right or Wrong how  are we to make judgments? I would offer that some things
are Right and some  things are Wrong, and that there are Good guys and Bad
guys, and the  difficulty of confronting evil does not excuse us from the
duty to do so.  So yes, I believe Bill's joke of several weeks ago was a
manifestation of a  depraved heart, and was not the least bit funny. And
yes,I think the two of  you ought to give more thought to what it means to be
an American and less  to the marxists hiding under your beds. I won't hold my
breath waiting for  you to engage in any self examination however. You're too
busy covering for  each other to think for yourselves.

Merry Christmas 

Ben C.  





Tootle wrote:

> 
> Rummy,
> 
>  Somebody that comes on once every 3 or 4 months ought to consider  making
> sure others can clearly i.d. who is making the comments.   I do not have
> your infallible memory.  However, I do remember  various trolls in the
> past.  
> 
> Herb,
>  
> Study these web sites:
> 
>  http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/facts/
> 
>  http://www.instituteforlegalreform.org/
> 
> It is important to  remember that one aspect of Marxism is control of the
> people.   Remember that Marxism seeks to create a 'Dictatorship of the
>  Proletariat’.  An important aspect of control is control descent and  free
> thought.  An element of dictatorship is for the dictator  making his
> opinions the correct and only view.  
> 
>  A Marxist dictator will claim that he is speaking for the little guy. 
>  There is glossing over the fact that the little guy can speak for himself. 
 
> He pretends the little guy incapable of self defense when in fact  that is
> not true.  He believes only the Marxist knows the  truth.
> 
> Your thought of arrogance is correct.  Arrogance  is especially noticeable
> in those who have loss touch with ordinary  people.  Arrogance is often
> evident in those of self appointed  elites, many of higher formal
> education.  
> 
> I  recall pictures and news reports of a ceremony in the Roman Catholic
>  Church in Rome where the Pope washes the feet of a group of Cardinals.  
> What is the purpose of that ceremony?
> 
> In 1936 Major  General J. F. C. Fuller wrote a booklet for the U. S. Army
> entitled,  Generalship:  Its diseases and Their Cure.  Therein he  discussed
> the arrogance of power and one of its cause as  disassociation from
> reality.  This affliction is evident in the  U. S. national media and its
> acolytes and some members of this  forum.
> 
> Ed K
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 

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