Rick,
Glad to see that you are owning up to making mistakes. I never do and I  
never make mistakes. It's always someone else that has caused the problem on my  
boat. Your PO must have been a large person or had large people for crew. 
Having  the seats crack where they meet the hull is a new problem that we haven't 
had to  address on the list before. I do know of one heavy set owner that added 
support  to the seats, but only to prevent any problems from occurring.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 2/25/2009 9:45:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:

Rummy,

Glad to see you back on the list to titilate our  discussion.

My mast step was delaminated and had detached.  The  delamination is from
water penetration which, if you bribed me with enough  rum, I may admit to
being my fault since I have torn out the mast foot  plate and may not have
re-sealed the screws properly when I re-attached the  plate.  The yard
attacked the step because the gelcoat was cracking  around the it.

When I bought the boat, it was 5 years old and the  weight of the mast was
deforming the cabin roof.  After sailing it a  season in choppy Lake Erie,
the cabin roof was getting worse.  I don't  know if the PO started the
problem by over-tightening the stays or it was  just because he sailed the
boat in Lake Erie since it was new.   Anyway, that's when I put in the
compression post, locating it according to  Stan's advice.

Another problem I've had from Lake Erie chop is gelcoat  cracking where the
cockpit benches join to the cabin bulkhead.  The  same yard did a great job
solving that problem by reenforcing the benches  with wood stringers.  The
benches don't have that nice natural spring  to them anymore, but my bins
still slide under and lock just the  same.  And I have the thick sealed-cell
foam cushions, so my butt  isn't that much worse off.

Despite its weak points for Lake Erie, the  yard guys love the R22.  Their
standard advice is to reseat all deck  hardware every 5 years.  After 15
years of absolute neglect by me and  the PO, my boat only had water
penetration in the mast step and the outside  edge of the head hatch (and for
a little more rum--well, I did replace that  hatch.)  Anyway, their advice
for the R22 is every 10  years.

Rick

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:

> Rick,
> I've been  watching the discussions with interest concerning the compression
>  posts and the problems people are having. In all the years that I have
>  owned
> my  Rhodes and been a part of this community, I have never  before seen any
> discussions around this problem. After careful  consideration and a whole
> lot of
> rum, I'm thinking that you  all (southern expression) are doing something to
> these boats that you  shouldn't be doing. My first thought is that the
> shrouds
> and  stays are being tightened way to much. I would really appreciate
>  further
> information. And why would anyone need to replace the mast  step?
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated  2/24/2009 8:59:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>   sloopblueheron at gmail.com writes:
>
> The yard  painting my  boat just replaced the mast step.  They are not happy
> with   the beautiful compression post I fashioned from an oak full round
>  supported  by the cross-beam that frames the head sole.
>
>  They're thinking of  replacing the post with a truss to the head  bulkhead.
> This would carry the  load down to the keel and prevent  hull deformation
> when
> compression loads  the  cross-beam.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:00  AM, David Culp  <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
>
> >  Andrew:
> > That sounds like a  good plan.
> >
>  > David
> >
> > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009  14:05:17  -0500
> > From: Andrew Collins   <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Compression Repair and Addition of
> >   Compression     Post
> > To: The  Rhodes 22 Email List  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >  Message-ID:
> >       <999352ba0902221105r149c46cdybec7ac8b082084de at mail.gmail.com>
>  >  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
>  >  David
> >
> > You are correct. Our boat's  respective deflections are  opposite. The
> > problem
>  > I have is if I move the compression post  you can't get to the head  very
> > well, so I am thinking of installing a  stainless steel  bracket with a
> > buttress that will catch the mast step   forward and the compression post
> > aft.
> > The diagonal  member  would only be about 8-10" long. I know a custom
> >  stainless fabricator  and can't imagine it would be expensive,
>  >  $100-150<$@2100-150>,
> > maybe.
>  >
> > The other  possibility is to get the SS comp post from  Stan and install
> it
> >  at
> > the aft end of  the V berth. To do this I would want to take it down  to
>  the
> > hull/stringers and glass it in. Then the deck reamining  between  the 2
> > hatches must act as a bridge. My deck is wood  cored, so my SWAG
>  (scientific
> > wild ass guesstimate)  is that it will be  OK.
> >
> > I guess a call to Stan  is in order. I'll keep da list  posted
> >
> >  Andrew
> > S/V Carmen
> >
> >
> > On   Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:38 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com>   wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Andrew:
> > >
>  > > I am  visualizing your boat as not having any bulkhead in front  of the
> > >  compression post and just the deck supports the  mast in that area?
> It
> > that
> > >  right?
> > >
> > > My deflection  was opposite  yours and probably occurred because someone
> > > tighten   down too hard on the aft stays and left it.  My deck was
>  >  basically
> > > bending backwards, sort of breaking  over the edge of  the bulkhead
> because
> > > there  was no support directly under the  mast.  Yours is flexing
>  forward
> > and
> > > if you have no  support  underneath it other then the compression post,
> > then
>  >  > I
> > > can understand that and you probably just  need another  post.  If there
> is
> > > some  other support there already, then I  probably would want to
> >  investigate
> > > further and make sure  that I had no water  intrusion either in the deck
> > > itself (the  bridge) or in  the deck support structure in both the top
> and
> > >   bottom of the boat.  My '98 has foam core, but your boat may be   wood
> > cored.
> > >  Neither one of them like  water.  I  pulled a hatch out and checked
> just
> >  to
> > > make sure none had  gotten in.
> >  >
> > > Check with Stan because I think I read on  the  list somewhere that he
> has
> > a
> > > kit for a  stainless  pole.  If you already have a stainless pole and
>  can
> > > install  another one, I think that would be good  looking and very
> > >  substantial.  Maybe you could  move the one you already have  directly
> > under
> >  > the step and solve the problem?  I  don't know as the boats  have some
> > > differences spanning the  years.  In any  event,  I am sure Stan has
> seen
> > all
>  >  > kinds of things on used boats coming in for recycle and  can  probably
> > advise
> > > you whether or not  there is anything for  concern.  Personally, I like
> >  > having
> > > the hatches  for the ventilation they  provide and having a compression
> > post
> >  > or  two is actually a plus in my book.
> > >
> > >   Interested to hear what you work out.
> > >
> >  >  Regards,
> > > David
> > >
> >  >
> > > Date: Thu,  19 Feb 2009 21:36:19 -0500
>  > > From: Andrew Collins   <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re:   [Rhodes22-list] Compression Repair and Addition of
> > >   Compression     Post
> > > To: The  Rhodes  22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >  >  Message-ID:
> > >         <999352ba0902191836waed3e68wc7f72fdce1d6a6ac at mail.gmail.com>
>  >  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >  >
> > >  David
> > >
> > > Sorry  to respond to this post so late, but due  to travel and work it
>  all
> > > got
> > > delayed. The repair  work you  did looks like it solved the deck
> deflection
> > > problem  -  very nice job.
> > >  My boat is an '86 recycled in  '06 with the  unenclosed head - it has a
> > > curtain. The  compression post is aft  of the mast step, and I get a
> >  seasonal
> > > deflection where  the mast step plate  depresses downward toward the
> bow.
> > It
> >  >  is not as severe as the conditiion your photos show, and the  deck
> returns
> > > to
> > > the correct shape  while the mast is  stepped during the off season and
> she
>  > > is
> > > on the  trailer on the hard. The only  reason I noticed it was because,
> >  like
> > >  your boat there are 2 hatches, there was some rainwater  coming in  
from
> > > where
> > > the hatch gaskets no  longer  touched the deck, leaving a 1/4" gap.
> > > Michael  W's comments below  seem right on - the 2 hatches  leave a
>  small
> > > bridge and a  little added support is  required.
> > >
> > > Seeing your  results will  probably inspire me to install a remedial
> > support
>  >  > of some kind as well.
> > >
> > >  Thanks for the post (pun  intended)!
> > >
> > >  Andrew Collins
> > > s/v  Carmen
> > > Grass  Island CT
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