STONE SOBER?????? Why bother even going out.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 6/26/2009 9:45:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
LKUHN at cnmc.org writes:


Last  night I measured degrees to the wind with the Genoa both fully 
deployed
and  also furled to the shroud in what I'd thought were identical 
conditions.  
Can't say that I learned which points better but I did learn to  quit
measuring things.

For all tacks:  poptop and boom up, full  main, no significant chop, speed 
of
the current looked minimal,  singlehandler with weight centered, tiller
locked three degrees into the  wind (see exception below), traveler 
centered,
centerboard down, sheet lead  blocks back to the winches, telltales flowing
(not visible with reefed  Genoa).

Furled Genoa to outer shroud:  110 degree tack (pointing  55 degrees), speed
2.4 knots on starboard tack and 2.9 knots on port tack,  apparent wind speed
7.8 knots for both.  Mainsail remained the same on  both tacks.  The heel 
was
less than 5 degrees on both  tacks.

175% full Genoa:  120 degree tack (pointing 60 degrees),  speed 3.8 knots on
starboard tack and 2.2 knots on port tack, apparent wind  speed 7.3 knots on
starboard tack and 4.9 knots on port tack.  For the  starboard tack I needed
to pull the mainsheet in tighter and move the  tiller from 3 degrees into 
the
wind to about 5 degrees off the wind to keep  the telltales flowing 
properly. 
The heel on the port tack was about 5  degrees but the heel on the starboard
tack was over 10.

So what did  I learn?  Not exactly sure.  Obviously the conditions or  my
description of the conditions were not consistent.  From the huge  variance
in apparent wind it looks like the strength of the wind changed,  but if it
did I don't think it was by much.  Per Rummy's comment about  railmeat, the
135 lb. outboard with the extra Genoa caused the boat to heel  more which
caused the trim to the mainsail and tiller which all caused a  speed
increase.  I'm guessing that the 60 degree pointing was more  like 50 
degrees
on the starboard tack and 70 degrees on the port tack, but  who knows.

I came off the wind to a close reach of about 75 degrees and  raised the
centerboard and speed immediately jumped to over 4 knots, which  makes me
think the wind speed may have increased some during my measuring.  

Any other theories are certainly welcome.

By the way, it was a  most excellent sail, which is all that matters.

One other condition  that I failed to mention was that I was stone  sober.

Lee



Rick-139 wrote:

> 
>  David,
> 
> Putting the meat and rum as far forward as it will go  helps a lot.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at  1:51 PM, David Culp <dculp at hsbtx.com> wrote:
> 
>> Agree  with Rummy... The 175 requires the right conditions and bodies.
>>  Still, for most people, I think it is the right sail to have on  the
>> furler if you have some rail meat.  But, since I am  always
>> single-handed, I am dropping back to a 150 or 155% the next  time
>> around.  The 175% stays rolled up on my boat too much of  the time.
>> However, my experience is that the boat will point  higher with the
>> 175% fully unfurled then it will reefed down to  the the outer shroud.
>>
>> My best pointing/speed  combination single-handed seems to be:  Full
>> main, boom  lowered, genoa sheet inside the outer shroud and
>> centerboard  down.  Also, traveler a little to windward if not
>>  over-powered.   This would be in wind of about 12-15 kts.  I  estimate
>> the angle to the wind at about 45 degrees... Might do  better with a
>> newer genoa sail and a luff tape.  I have tried  sheeting in to the
>> inside cleats on the cabin top, maybe point a  little closer but lose
>> too much speed.  In a big blow though,  this might be useful.
>>
>> Anybody using a 150 or 155%  genoa and know the dimensions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Wed,  24 Jun 2009 11:44:58 EDT
>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] too windy--Now Centeboard Effect
>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Message-ID:  <d63.38baecb0.3773a3fa at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Lee,
>> As you have eluded  to previously, there are a lot of factors that
>>  determine
>>  hull speed in the water. If you are single handed,  the 175 can be way 
to
>> much  sail in a ten knot wind.   However, with the same conditions and 
two
>> additional bodies on the  rail can make the 175 a real performance
>> booster.
>> It's  all about balance, sail and weight.
>>
>>  Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/24/2009  11:09:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> LKUHN at cnmc.org  writes:
>>
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> The  only time I can remember measuring performance  into the wind I  had
>> the
>> sheets run across the cabintop.  12 knot  wind,  boom & board down, full
>> main,
>> traveler  centered, Genoa reefed to the  inside shroud, tiller locked,
>>  choppy
>> water.  It's in the archives but  I think I was  going about 3.5 knots,
>> which
>> was fast for me on a  close reach  with that much wind--probably because
>>  the
>> boat was sailing itself.  I  measured 45 degrees  into the wind which
>> leads
>> me
>> to believe  that an  experienced sailor could get upwards to 40 degrees  
on
>> a
>> close haul in the  right  conditions.
>>
>> I normally have the Genoa sheets ran  outside the  shrouds but I mostly
>> sail
>> on a close  reach and I'd probably get faster  performance with the  
sheets
>> ran
>> across the deck in between the   shrouds.  Unless I'm on a beam reach or
>> more
>> off  the wind, it's rare  that the full 175 decksweeper seems to add  
much
>> speed.
>>
>> Switching the  sheets to  different leads is easy on the windward side
>> with
>> the  poptop  up.  I haven't figured out how to comfortably do it yet  
with
>> the
>> poptop down unless I pull in all the   sails.
>>
>> Lee
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