John,
Tinker away. It sounds like you have the perfect boat for this type of  
work. Five years is a long time. Personally I would rather be out sailing.  
Speaking of sailing, it looks like the deep freeze we have been in will finally 
 disappear by tomorrow and I will have to go sailing.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 1/11/2010 8:31:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jsbudda at verizon.net writes:


Rummy,

I still have to re finish my boat above the rub  rail when I do so I might
sand with 60 grit and bond a couple of sheets of  new glass over the deck 
and
cabin and shoot new gel coat over that.  Properly done that's the equivalent
of 1/2" of plywood reinforcement. I  also found a company that sells the
molds for re doing the original  checking on the non skid areas. The hull
deck joint is also on the to do  list. The interior redesign has fixed the
port side deformation by the  addition of the port side bulkhead. I had no
problems with the compression  arch taking the loads applied and while I 
lack
your experience in pushing  the outer edges of rhodes performance, Kinzua
currently pushes it plenty  hard for me. I will admit to liking the thought
of having both the oldest  and the fastest rhodes on the water and I have
always liked to tinker with  things. I probably have 5 or so yrs of putzing
to do before I'll be  satisfied with this project. 

John S 


R22RumRunner  wrote:

> 
> John,
> This topic has been discussed many times  on this list. I have the IMF so 
 
> bending the mast is not an  option for me. The only caution that has ever
> been 
>   mentioned is to keep in mind the pressure you are exerting not only on
>  the 
> mast  and the stays, but also the hull structure itself. Is  getting
> another 
> 1/2 knott  of speed worth ripping your  boat apart for? If it is, go for
> it. 
> If you want to   increase your hull speed without bending the mast, try 
> ordering one  of Stanley's  new main sail designs for the standard mast
> with a  
> little extra cloth thrown  in.
> Since it is winter, I  guess the next topic to come up will be the boom  
> vang.  
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a  message dated 1/11/2010 1:18:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>  jsbudda at verizon.net writes:
> 
> 
> Lee,
> 
>  This is a pic. of the backstay adjuster on my  boat
>  http://old.nabble.com/file/p27115052/DSCF0299.jpg 
> Tension on  the  line applies a transverse tension on the back stays
>  drawing
> them together  which essentially shortens their length.  The harder you
> pull
> the more you  tighten the forestay.  Consider a similar device on the
> forward
> baby stays,   tension on that line should apply a slight bend to the 
center 
>  of
> the mast  flattening the main or so the theory goes. I have a  standard
> main
> which  will is bendable (confirmed by  experiment last summer) The 
question 
> is
> how  much  initial rake do I want when the boat is at rest and how much
>  bend
> is  needed to effectively flatten the main?
> 
>  Thanks 
> John S   
> 
> Leland wrote:
>>  
>> Ron/John (sounds like a surf  shop),
>>  
>> In my mind I think I would be just fine with a 150 or  even  a 135.  On a
>> close reach in placid water I can usually  fill  the 175 with about 3.5
>> knots of wind.  In 3.5 to  5.0 knots of  wind the big Genoa works well.  
>  The
>> sail is fun and looks pretty  in 5 to 7 knots without  excessive heel but
>> I
>> can go faster if I reef  it  a little.  Much of the time I've got the 175
>> reefed to a  150  or 135 or less.
>> 
>> However every time I sail  with the 175 when  it's the right conditions I
>> swear I'll buy  another one when the time  comes to replace it.  I may  
not
>> use the full 175 often, but when  I can use it I want to  use it.  I
>> wouldn't want to give up my  traveler,  adjustable sheet tracks/leads,
>> centerboard, or reefable   main; and I often don't use them either.  That
>> 175 can  provide a  lot of power for our light boats and can be very
>>  useful
>> with a whisker  pole on a broad reach or  run.
>> 
>> I agree that a smaller sail  won't need to  be reefed as often and will 
> have
>> better shape when   reefed.  If most of your sailing is in winds of 8
>>  knots
>> or more  it probably makes sense to go with a smaller  Genoa.  A lot of 
my
>>  sailing is in winds of less than 8  knots.
>> 
>> With the sheets ran  outside the shrouds  on a close reach with the board
>> down and the boom  up, in  most conditions I think I would generally 
want 
> to
>> reef a  150  before hitting 9 knots of wind.  
>> 
>> I've  never played with  mast rake.  I've seen a lot of 
>  performance-oriented
>> boats with  single adjustable backstays  that allow you to change the 
rake
>> for  upwind or downwind  sailing.  How would an adjustable baby stay be
>>   installed on our boats?  If you devised something to pull down on   the
>> lines connecting the two backstays would it have any   effect?
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>>  Lee
>> 1986  Rhodes22  At Ease
>> Kent Island,  MD
>> 
>> 
>>  Ronald Lipton-3  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>>   
>>>    I switched from a 175 to a 150 I purchased  from  Stand last year.
>>> I also switched from the GBI  Furler to the  CDI.  The GBI furler 
>  performed
>>> well, but I wanted the option  to lower or  change the foresail, and the
>>> CDI furler allows that.   
>>> 
>>>   I am very happy with the  150.  I do  not need to furl as early and 
it 
>>>  seems
>>> to be well  suited to conditions on Lake Michigan  more often than the
>>>  175.  It also retains it's  shape a bit better when partially  furled. 
 
> In  
>>> light
>>> breezes, when you might want  more  sail area the 175 does not perform
>>> well due to the heavy   cloth.   I think the 150 is a bit more suited 
> than  
>>>  the
>>> 175.  I would thing the 135  would be a bit too  small.
>>> 
>>>  Ron
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  John Shulick wrote:
>>>>  Hello to the   forum,
>>>>
>>>>   After  extensive  negotiations (groveling, begging, etc...) with  the
>>>>  Admiral
>>>> I have been  authorized (allowed) to replace my blown  out 35+yrs  old
>>>> 175
>>>> genoa and GB furler with new  equipment.  Over the last 2 yrs. sailing
>>>>  at
>>>> Kinzua has shown me the 175 is  really not suited  for the conditions I
>>>> have,
>>>>   namely wind gusts that can double in velocity usually accompanied by 
  
> 90*
>>>> or
>>>> more shifts in  direction. I never fully  unfurl the genoa unless the 
>  wind
>>>> is
>>>> so light  that the sail  can't or won't (not sure which) fill 
properly.  
>  My
>>>> research into the archives show the older rhodes came  with  150 genoas
>>>> and my
>>>> 71  certainly falls in that  group. My question to the forum is at  
what
>>>> approximate wind  speed would you begin reefing  in a 150 genoa and
>>>> would
>>>>   a
>>>> 135 or less be even better for the conditions I'm  facing.  Also I'm
>>>> looking
>>>> for a  furler and would  appreciate any info on which ones offer more 
>  sail
>>>> tuning  options. A final item of thought, has  anyone out there in  
> rhodes
>>>>  land
>>>> experimented with mast rake and/or  mast bending  by use of baby stay
>>>> tension
>>>> to   alter mainsail shape and performance.
>>>>
>>>>  All  comments are appreciated
>>>> Thanks in  advance
>>>>  John  Shulick
>>>>
>>>>    
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