Todd,
I try to stay out of these discussions, but since I fanned the flames a  
little, I'm going to bore the list with my opinion.
I own a twenty one year old sailboat. It's in pretty good condition and I  
would have no problem selling it for a goodly amount of money. The Rhodes 
brings  a higher resale value for many reasons. It's a great boat, well built 
from a  manufacturer that has been able to weather the ups and downs of the 
economy over  quite a long period of time. If General Boats had gone out of 
business ten years  ago, how much would my boat be worth today? No parts, no 
owners list and no  demand for Rhodes 22's.
Stan's recycling program and new hulls being built keeps our boats alive  
and well. His ability to stay in business is of benefit to all us owners. It  
also means recycled boats will be available for people wanting to enjoy 
what we  have been enjoying for years.
The Rhodes owners list was originally the brain child of Stan and Michael  
when we took it off of Sailnet. They footed the bill for the service 
provider.  Michael no longer owns a R22 nor does he run the list from his 
computers. I  appreciate the fact that he sticks around and interjects some humor in 
the list  from time to time. I wonder who is paying the domain name fees now?
I could go on and on why we, the owners want to support Stan, because it's  
in all of our best interest to do so. 
I don't have any insider track on what transpired between Stan and Art, but 
 obviously it did not go well for either one of them. Another life lesson 
learned  by both parties. Contracts make for good business partners. Good 
attorney's  enforce contracts. :)
Time to step down and have another drink and watch the Olympics.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 2/15/2010 7:17:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sprocket80 at mail.com writes:


Alright Stan,

I am very busy lately, but I  will enjoy answering all points it time, so 
we can sort this out and separate  fact from fun and paraphrase.

Before starting though,  please understand that I do not speak for, nor 
support Art in whatever  disputes you have with him. I was only 
talking about making commercial  posts to the List.  He was attacked by a 
few members unfairly because of  the nature of his post(s).

Additionally I do not dispute  that GB's contribution to the List is 
beneficial to many if not most -- only  the idea that GB continuing financial
health is the one and only reason the  List survives. In fact, I hope GB 
stays in business for many more years...at  least until I finish paying
for my kids' college tuition so I can finally  afford to buy a recycled 
Rhodes 22.

Todd  T.

-----Original Message-----
From: stan  <stan at rhodes22.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 5:19  pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] therapeutic reply to Todd that the rest of ou  can 
skip


Dear Todd,

In your e-mail of 1/20/10 you say,  "don't bring me into this",  "don't put 
words 
in my mouth" and sign  "straight shooter".   So I know you will allow me 
the 
sport, fun  and right of follow up, checking how on or off target you may  
be:

"don't bring me into this".   Too late  You already  brought yourself into 
our 
holistic issues with your prior  e-mails.

In your e-mail of 12/29/09 you say I said that, "membership to  this list 
be 
conditional upon agreement to giving GB a 5%  commission".  I do not recall 
ever 
saying this.  If you can show  me that quote I will apologize to the List.  
If 
you cannot, I would  expect your apology to the List for putting words in 
my 
mouth. 

In  other e-mails inserting yourself in the fray, you posted that it is Art 
who  
is being (your words) "vilified and berated".  Come on straight  shooter,  
you 
know the fact is it is GB who is being harassed by Art  not following the 
rule of 
law and breaking agreements and that it is GB  who presented a proposal of 
resolution that, as far as I know, Art has  ignored.   Until this matter is 
equitably resolved it will keep  coming up.  And, until resolved, GB's 
response 
to calls of help from  GB, will be per George Bush's, "You are either with 
us or 
against us" - we  feel that betrayed.

We will not bring you in (unless you ask) to any  future give and take on 
the 
issues of GB's value to re-sales or the List's  well being;.   We know that 
in 
your humble opinion the GB  position is "insane" and that in GB's humble 
opinion 
GB's contributions to  the demand and price level of re-sales and the 
List's 
growth and  longevity, are priceless - that something like the 5% 
"loyalty/royalty"  notion is a mad bargain.   Of course the fact that you 
and I 
are  at the productive end of these 2 issues does not mean I will not enjoy 
 
further debate with anyone else who is still not clear on the arguments or  
even 
the analogies like the "Shakers", now that I am adopting my new  hero's 
position 
on basic survival conflicts of  "Bring it on".   

stan/gbi
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