Ben,
I did a tour in Vietnam in 1970-1971. I was with an armored unit, not on a  
ship off the coast. Air force and Navy guys always got the good duty.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/4/2010 4:57:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bencittadino at gmail.com writes:


Rummy;

You know it occurs to me that I saw a Saturn  "moon shot" sometime between
1970 and 1972 off Kennedy Space Center when we  were assigned to "lifeguard"
duty. We were about 5-10 miles off shore and  they flew right overhead. I
forget the Apollo number; I have a cloth patch  someplace that they gave us.
Watching the launch will be worth the wait I'm  sure. Anyhow that duty was a
heck-of-a-lot better than Vietnam would have  been. I have no complaints.

BenC



R22RumRunner  wrote:

> 
> Not a problem shutting the shuttle down. The last  flight will happen on  
> February 27th, 2011. I want to see one of  those birds blast off before
> they  
> mothball the fleet.  Quite a good service record, all things considered.
> We're  
>  here to see the last flight of "Discovery". Most of the NASA  programs 
for 
> the  future involve unmanned missions. They are  cheaper to operate and 
can 
> go further  distances. Voyager 1 and  2, launched in the 70's are still 
> charging away from  our solar  system at 320 million miles per year and
> continue to 
> send  back data.  We actually have more computing power in our cell 
phones  
> than any of the  shuttle's main computers have. A few years back  NASA 
was 
> buying replacement  parts for their computers on E Bay.  It wasn't cost 
> effective to replace the old  computers with new  because they would have
> had to 
> rewrite all the software.  
>  
> Rummy
>  
>  
> In a  message dated 11/4/2010 4:19:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>  bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> I  was a 21 year  old "boot" Ensign. Now that shuttle program with  1960's
>  technology is a program I could shut down to save a few bucks.    
> 
> R22RumRunner wrote:
>> 
>>  Ben,
>> I never wait for the  sun to set before drinking. My  favorite line is 
> that  
>> it's noon  somewhere.  I've been stuck in Daytona Beach since last 
Friday 
>>   waiting  for the freeking shuttle to blast off. I've already been  
>> thrown
>> out of 
>> most bars  in this  crappy sea side town  and am now relegated to 
drinking
>> in  
>> my hotel room.  I  found a really good source for rum  at a local ABC 
> store. 
>> Mt. Gay is  only  $22.00  a bottle. That's almost ten bucks cheaper than 
I
>> can   
>> buy it at home.  Needless to say, there won't be any empty  space  in 
the 
>> wife's car when we do  finally go  home.
>> So, if  the ship was nineteen years old when you were  on it, how old 
were 
>   
>> you? Just for the  record, 52 degrees is just the beginning of a good  
> heal.  
>>  
>> Rummy
>>  
>>   
>> In a  message dated 11/4/2010 2:53:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time,  
>>  bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
>>  
>> 
>> Rummy;
>>  
>> I see I made  the error of failing to wait until  the sun dropped  below 
>  the
>> yardarm to post when you might be in a more  mellow   frame of mind.
>> Actually,
>> my navy ship was only 171'  long and I  was  on the bridge when we took 
a 
>  52
>> degree roll in a storm. I  thought we were  going  over all the way and 
> said
>> the fastest  "Hail Mary"  in the history of  that prayer. It seemed to
>>  take
>>  forever but we came back up to vertical. By  the  way, my ship was  
> designed 
>> by
>> ....(drum  roll)....(wait for  it).....Philip  Rhodes. It was an  MSO
>> (minesweeper, ocean going), built in  1951  (she was  19 years old when I
>> reported aboard).
>> 
>>  Thanks  Caesar. I  feel slightly less stupid.
>>  
>> BenC   
>> 
>> R22RumRunner   wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Ben,
>>> Right.  Another piece of wisdom passed  down from our  federal 
>  government. 
>> I  
>>> can't remember the   last  time I saw a 22 foot battle ship or maybe a  
22
>>>  foot  
>>>  aircraft carrier.  Kinda reminds me of my  favorite government saying: 
> Hi,  
>>  
>>> I'm  from the  government and  I'm here to help you. Get real man.  Life
>>>  lines on  
>>> a 22  foot sailboat is just plain stupid.  To   say nothing about their 
>>> appearance. The  R22 is a  good   looking craft. Don't turn it into a 
>>  garbage
>>> scow  
>>> with life   lines.  If you can't stay put on a 22 foot  sailboat  you
>>> deserve
>>>  to 
>>> get  dunked.  Life  lines won't fix stupid.
>>>    
>>>  Rummy
>>>  
>>>   
>>> In a message  dated  11/4/2010 2:13:02 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,   
>>>  bencittadino at gmail.com  writes:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Rummy  &  Dave;
>>> 
>>> I remember being   taught in the USN to  NEVER sit  upon, lean against,
>>>  or
>>>  even
>>> touch the life line  railings  aboard  ship. The  only time anyone  
should
>>> touch
>>> them is  when   maintaining or  repairing them. The idea is they are 
>>>  only
>>>  there
>>> as a last resort and if  you   have to grab them you  shouldn't be out
>>>  there
>>>  to
>>> begin with.
>>>  
>>> I  would  never  tell anyone not to have them  because if they keep you 
 
>>  from
>>>  going  overboard only once in twenty years they can be  worth   the 
> money, 
>>> but
>>> remember they are  not  built for routine daily  stress and strain,   or
>>>  reliance. You can look at them, but don't  touch  them 'till you 
really  
>>> need
>>>  them.
>>> 
>>>   BenC
>>> s/v  susan kay ('93 recycled '08) (no   railings)
>>>   
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>   
>>>> Dave,
>>>> Unless  you  have  small  children, I see no need for the railings. 
Just 
>>  my  
>>>  2  
>>>>  cents  worth. I like to keep things both   simple and  clean.
>>>>   
>>>>   Rummy
>>>>   
>>>>   
>>>> In a  message dated  11/4/2010 1:01:42   A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   
>>>>   rhodes22dave at gmail.com  writes:
>>>>   
>>>> Rummy, I  think the  railings are   okay.   They make great hangers for
>>>>  the
>>>>  fenders   at  the dock.   [?]
>>>> I could do  without them, but my wife    likes  them.  They are handy 
>>>>  to
>>>> lean
>>>> against  a little,  for   balance, when  cleaning or doing various  
>  chores
>>>>  about
>>>> the   boat.
>>>> When under   sail,  actually they  don't get in the way or  interfere 
> with  
>>   
>>> the
>>>> 175.  They   virtually  touch the outer   stays, and the sail could 
not  
>  go
>>>> in
>>>> further     anyway.
>>>> The  one inconvenience is that the genoa  sheet  can,  in the process 
>>>>  of
>>>>  tacking, get wedged  in between the   stay and the rail, requiring me 
> to  
>>    
>>> go
>>>> forward  and free it, or to  jiggle the  line and try to fool with  it 
   
>>>>  remotely.
>>>> However, I would be  interested in the    views of others that have  
>>  rails.  
>>>  I
>>>> was  planning  to order  them on my new R22, but I  could be  
persuaded   
>>> either
>>>> way, if  the   Commandant--my wife--could be  persuaded (an    unlikely
>>>> event).
>>>>     Dave
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 7:17  AM,   <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>   
>>>>>  Dave,
>>>>> The  fact  that   you have the side railings  makes your boat a   
>>  completely
>>>>> different  animal.  I  have never  sailed on one with  the  railings,
>>>>> but
>>>>>   I
>>>>>  can
>>>>>  imagine the  problems  you  will encounter with  them. You might ask 
 
> for 
>>   
>>>>  advice
>>>>>    from
>>>>>  someone who has the railings. Personally, I  don't   like   them on 
a 
> 22 
>>>  foot
>>>>>  sailboat. In fact, I  don't even like them  on  a  larger  boat, but 
I
>>>>>    understand
>>>>> why  they  might be  needed.   Your  inability to make the 175 work 
for  
>>  you
>>>>>    is
>>>>> directly   related  to the railings.  You might  want to   consider
>>>>>  replacing
>>>>>    your
>>>>>  furling drum  with  one that  allows  a  complete sail change on the 
 
>>   fly,
>>>>>   unlike
>>>>>  the  GB    furler.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Rummy.......still waiting  for the shuttle to go     up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  In  a  message dated  11/3/2010  12:55:35 A.M. Eastern  Daylight  
Time,
>>>>>    rhodes22dave at gmail.com    writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Lee,   thanks for  your   comments.  I may give you a call,   as I 
will 
>  
>> have 
>>>   
>>>>   to
>>>>>  decide   which sail to put on my R22 this  time, as compared  to the 
  
>> 175  I
>>>>>    have
>>>>> been  using.   Last  weekend  the wind was mild but   steady--about 5 
  
>   
>> mph.
>>>>>    Using
>>>>> the full 175 was  very     pleasant.  But in gusty or  changeable   
>  winds
>>>>> (our
>>>>>     most
>>>>>  common lake condition), and where  sailing  close  hauled  is   
>>   important,
>>>>> the
>>>>>  175
>>>>>  is simply  too  much sail area too  far  forward,  and even  when 
>>>>>  largely
>>>>>   furled,
>>>>>  the boat doesn't   point well--worse  than all   the  other boats 
that 
> I 
>>>    see.
>>>>> Unless  the genoa is furled way  in,  I  don't  see  how I could lead 
> the 
>>   
>>>>  sheets
>>>>>   through  the inner guides on the deck,  inside  the   shrouds.   I  
> was 
>>>>   surprised
>>>>> that you mentioned that  the   smaller  genoa would be closer to the 
>>>   deck.   
>>>> I
>>>>>  haven't  seen  one, but  I  assumed  that the 130/140/150 sizes  
would  
>>>  simply  
>>>>  be
>>>>>  made in their  smaller sizes   by   shortening or raising the foot 
of 
>>  the   
>>>>     sail.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also use my full  175  less  than  20% of  the time,  and when I am 
 
> on 
>> a  
>>>>   reach
>>>>> in mild weather   conditions,  it  is a   very nice sail.  So if you 
> can   
>>> keep  
>>>>   a
>>>>> decent  sail shape and   still furl  it way in   for other  
conditions 
>  and
>>>>> re-route
>>>>>   the   sheets to  one of  the inner paths, then it's   probably a  
good
>>>>>   multi-purpose  compromise  for a   sail.  80% of the time, I have 
the  
>   
>>>>>   genoa
>>>>> furled in to greater  or  lesser  degrees,  and  I am telling  myself 
>>  that  
>>>> next
>>>>> time I am  going   to  have a  smaller    sail.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I also have  the  steel side rails,  which are very    convenient,  
but
>>>>> the
>>>>>     sheets
>>>>> do often catch between the rails   and  the  stays   on tacking, and 
I 
>>   have
>>>>> to
>>>>>   go
>>>>>  forward  and  free them up.   This is   avoided by  furling in  
>>>  substantially
>>>>>     just
>>>>> before tacking, and then  letting   the  sail  back out, but a   
smaller
>>>>>  sail
>>>>>    would
>>>>> be just that  much more       convenient.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov  1, 2010  at  2:33   PM, KUHN, LELAND  <LKUHN at cnmc.org>   
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  >   Dave,
>>>>>   >
>>>>>  > "I  have   never
>>>>> > liked  the 175  genoa very   much  because I can't sail nearly as  
>> close    
>>> to
>>>>> >    the
>>>>>  > wind as  any of hundreds of other  sailboats on  our   lake."
>>>>>  >
>>>>> > I don't think  a  smaller   Genoa will help you  sail closer  to 
the  
>>  wind
>>>>>   as
>>>>> >  much  as re-routing your  sheets.  You  still   won't  be  able to 
> pull 
>>>  your
>>>>> > jib  or   smaller Genoa   closer to the center of your  boat if 
your  
>   
>>> sheets
>>>>>  >  are run  outside of  the  outer  shroud.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >  As   for sail shape,  you can pull a 175% Genoa just  as  tight 
as  
> a   
>>  
>>>>  smaller
>>>>>  > Genoa.  A smaller Genoa   won't  have as  much   rolled-up bulk  
>  around
>>>>>  the
>>>>> > furler  and   the sail will be closer to   the  deck, which  will  
>>>>> probably
>>>>>  >  improve  performance slightly  if you're on  a   close   reach.
>>>>> >
>>>>>  > The  primary   reason  I would opt for a  smaller  Genoa is  
because 
> I 
>> use   
>>>>  the
>>>>>  > full   175% sail less than 20%  of the   time.   When I do  use 
the 
> full 
>>>> 175%    I
>>>>>  >  swear I'll never go with   anything   smaller.
>>>>>    >
>>>>> > Feel  free to  give me a call if  you'd like to   discuss  upwind   
>>>>  performance.
>>>>>  >   202.476.5369
>>>>>   >
>>>>> >   Good    luck!
>>>>>  >
>>>>> >   Lee
>>>>> > 1986    Rhodes22  AT   EASE
>>>>> > Kent  Island,    MD
>>>>>  >
>>>>>    >
>>>>>  >
>>>>> >   -----Original  Message-----
>>>>>  >   From:    rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>  >   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf   Of  
>>>  Rhodes22Dave
>>>>>   >   Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010  11:51   PM
>>>>> >  To:     rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>  >  Subject:  Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Sailing    Upwind
>>>>>   >
>>>>>   >
>>>>> > Interesting. I  will   try   this.  I also  thought that re-routing 
> the  
>>   
>>>>   genoa
>>>>>  > sheets inside the  shrouds   would just  get  the sail caught.  I  
 
>>  have 
>>>>  never
>>>>> > liked   the  175 genoa very much  because I  can't  sail nearly  as 
 
>> close  
>>> to
>>>>>  >   the
>>>>> > wind as any of    hundreds  of  other  sailboats on our lake.  I 
can  
> do 
>>  a
>>>>> >   little
>>>>> >  better by furling in  the genoa to a much  smaller  exposed   sail 
  
>>>> area--but
>>>>>  > at   a
>>>>>  > cost of sail shape with  all  the   furling.   I may get a  second 
> R22  
>>> and  
>>>>   am
>>>>> >  thinking of getting  a   smaller  genoa--or  adding the 
self-tending 
>    
>>> jib.
>>>>>  >   But
>>>>>  > what you suggest might be a    solution,  at  least  for long 
tacks.
>>>>>  >  Dave
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >  Ben  Cittadino    wrote:
>>>>>  > >
>>>>> > > I  had  two  days  in a  row on Sandy Hook Bay in  NJ this 
weekend, 
>   
>> and  
>>>  I
>>>>>  >   want
>>>>> > > to  report that I  had  a   pleasing experience by  "finally"   
>>> re-routing  
>>>>   the
>>>>> > > Jib (175   Genny)  sheets  inside  the outer  shrouds to try for  
 
>>  better
>>>>> > upwind
>>>>>   >   >   sailing. I have to say that I didn't  expect  much 
difference, 
>> but   
>>>  I   
>>>> was
>>>>> >  >  delighted to   get inside 45  degrees at last. I   obviously  
> didn't
>>>>>   let
>>>>>    the
>>>>> > >  Genny out to the  full  175, but  at 100 we flew  along  and I  
> felt 
>>> like    
>>>> I
>>>>> > > could   make  real  headway  upwind. I had delayed trying  the 
new  
>>> route  
>>>>    for
>>>>>  > > the  sheets because I thought  the sail  would  get  all hung up 
 
> in   
>>> the
>>>>> >  > shrouds,  but  it's  become no big deal. Try it,   you'll   like 
 
> it.
>>>>> >   >
>>>>> >   >
>>>>>  > >
>>>>>  >   >    BenCittadino
>>>>> >  >
>>>>>  > > S/V  Susan  Kay  ('93  recycled   '08)
>>>>> >  >
>>>>>   >  >
>>>>> >    >
>>>>>  > >
>>>>>  >  >
>>>>>   >   >
>>>>> >  >
>>>>>   >   >
>>>>> >  >
>>>>> >  >
>>>>>   >   >
>>>>>  >   >
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