Mike,
And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect me to  
live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the rest of 
the  planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:

Rummy,

Your mileage not withstanding, your practice  constitutes an unsafe 
condition.  Please review the USCG site  
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspx  with particular attention to the 
following portion:
Portable Fuel  Tanks
Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or  containers are 
required to be equipped with natural ventilation.

Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank  
compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank vents  
into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is  required.

Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any  compartment, gasoline 
vapors should be considered when designing and  constructing a compartment that 
will contain a fuel tank or container that  vents into a compartment. Any 
openings in or near the bottom of the  compartment could permit explosive 
vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat  where an ignition source might ignite 
the vapors.

The "natural  ventilation" must consist of:

(1) supply opening(s) or duct(s)  from the atmosphere or from a 
ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
to the atmosphere;
and

(2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment  or exhaust 
duct(s) to the  atmosphere.

Each supply opening must be located on the exterior  surface of the boat:
"Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has  at least 15 square 
inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for  each cubic foot 
of net compartment volume.  The underseat space meets  this requirement while 
the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects  with the cabin 
interior and bilge through wiring channels.  These  ventilation requirements 
also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during  charging (solar or 
otherwise) in confined spaces.
For those who are  interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of the 
Boatbuilder's Handbook  for download.  

A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for  Backyard Boat Builders" 
which I have found very useful over the years is  available  at:

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatb
uilders.pdf

Please  err on the side of safety.  Don't play around with lives.  Many of  
these rules were established after an avoidable accident.

Mike
s/v  Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY





From:  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM

>  Charles,
> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost  twenty years. I  
> moved it only after I installed the electric  motor lift which places an 
> electric  motor (sparks) in the lazz.  The hatch cover for the lazz is 
not air 
> tight and if  you look  under both seats you will see large openings 
which 
> provide  adequate  ventilation. People on the list were worried that I 
was going  to 
> blow myself up,  but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used  to drink 
like 
> crazy and smoked  cigars and cigarettes.......all  at the same time and 
> never had a problem with  gas  fumes.
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated  11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> 
> 
> I  sail in  teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only 
Rhodie 
>  in  these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I 
do't  
> have  propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a  stove? I 
don't 
> have one  of those either.
> 
>  Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to  moving the  tank.
> 
> Charles
> s/v Blue Feather
> 84 R 22 ...  recycled  96
> 
>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
>>  To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010  08:53:59  -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction -  Now gas tank in  laz
>> 
>> It depends on how far away  from here you sail your Rhodes  ...
>> 
>> Basically,  fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly  explosive. Since 
> the  
>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place  to store  gasoline. I 
have 
>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the   cockpit seat without a problem 
> where at 
>> least the fumes  (lighter than  air) would not be trapped.
>> 
>> BTW,  where do you store your  propane (heavier than air)? Please do not 
 
>> store it in the  cabin.
>> 
>> Where do  you sail,again?
>> 
>> Mike
>>  s/v Shanghai'd  Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles Nieman"   <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Rhodes List"   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18,  2010  8:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>> 
>>  
>> >
>>  > I don't know about all that political stuff .....  but what's this  
> about 
>> > keeping your gas tank in tha   lazerette????? That is where I have 
> always 
>> > kept  mine .... is  this a problem????
>> >
>> >  Charles
>> >
>>  >> From:  benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>> >> To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010  06:40:39  -0600
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>>  >>
>> >> We are overdue  for some angry -- or at least  passionate rants. 
> Thoughts  
>> >> on
>> >> midterm  elections? Sarah  Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really 
> exist?
>>   >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least  keeping  
> their 
>> >> gas
>> >>  tank in the lazerette?
>>  >>
>> >>  Watching and waiting from BR,
>>  >>
>> >>  Ben
>> >>
>> >>
>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>> >> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >>   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff  
Farrell
>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010  12:39
>> >> To: The  Rhodes 22 Email List
>>  >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>>  >>
>> >> Thank God... on both  counts.
>>  >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM,   <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  >  Mike.
>> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while  back we had to  have a 
separation 
> of
>> >> >  sailing from politics. The  political people left the list and 
>  started
>> >> their
>>  >> >  own
>> >> > social network list. The sailors and  most  of the drunks are still 
> here.
>> >> >
>>  >> >  Rummy
>> >> >
>> >>  >
>> >> > In a  message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58  P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>  >  michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
>> >> >
>>  >>  > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal  Rhodes 
owner  
> since
>> >> > 1996. I have not  been active on the list in  several years. It is
>> >>  > definitely a lot quieter now than  it used to be. Sort of miss  the
>> >> barroom
>> >> >  mentality of  the old list.
>> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the   first was a new 96 model I bought 
from
>> >> > Stan and  then  after returning from Europe Stan made me a great 
deal 
> and  
>> >>  > I
>> >> > traded it in on a  slightly used and upgraded 99  Rhodes in 2000, 
but 
>> >>  > that
>> >> >  is
>> >> > another  story. I like to tell people that I liked the  boat so 
much I
>>  >> > bought
>> >> > it twice. I  still take  the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when it 
> needs
>>  >>  > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest  
business 
> I
>> >> > have
>> >> >  ever dealt with and they  still do good work!
>> >> > I  just recently retired from the  Army after 30 years of service.  
I
>> >> > retired from Fort  Monroe, Va and now live in  Smithfield, Va at the
>> >> >  intersection of the  Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at the 
> Old
>>   >> > Point
>> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe  in  Hampton, Va which is about 22 
miles 
> from
>>  >> > Smithfield. My  children are grown now so I primarily  singlehand 
> which 
>> >> >  is
>>  >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the   Southern 
> Chesapeake
>> >> > for
>>  >> > the last  four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes  out of 
> Middle
>> >>  > River
>>  >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse  river, and  Washington 
DC 
> on 
>> >> > the
>> >>  >  Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great  
> costal
>>  >> and
>> >> >  inland pocket cruiser!
>> >>  >
>> >>  > Mike Corley
>> >> > S/V  Ranger
>>  >> > 99 Rhodes
>> >> > Hampton Roads,   Va
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