What part of "natural ventilation" don't you understand? The lazz cover is  
vented and there are two vents under the seats.
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:29:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hnw555 at gmail.com writes:

I gotta  agree with Mike on this one.  Just because Rummy has never had  an
incident, doesn't mean that is the right way to do it.  Gas vapors  are
certainly nothing to fool around with.

Hank

On Thu, Nov  18, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Michael D. Weisner  
<mweisner at ebsmed.com>wrote:

> Rummy,
>
> Your  mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
>  condition.  Please review the USCG site
>  
http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspxwith  particular attention to the following portion:
>  Portable Fuel  Tanks
>  Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or  containers are
> required to be equipped with natural  ventilation.
>
>  Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats  are often used as fuel tank
> compartments for portable outboard motor  fuel tanks. If this fuel tank 
vents
> into the locker, then natural  ventilation of this locker is required.
>
>  Since fuel  vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline
> vapors  should be considered when designing and constructing a compartment
>  that will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a  
compartment.
> Any openings in or near the bottom of the compartment  could permit 
explosive
> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where  an ignition source might
> ignite the vapors.
>
> The  "natural ventilation" must consist of:
>
>  (1) supply  opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
>     ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is  ventilated
>           to the  atmosphere;
>  and
>
>  (2) exhaust opening(s)  into another ventilated compartment or exhaust
>       duct(s) to the atmosphere.
>
>  Each  supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the boat:
>  "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15  square
> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each  cubic 
foot
> of net compartment volume.  The underseat space meets  this requirement 
while
> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and  connects with the cabin
> interior and bilge through wiring  channels.  These ventilation 
requirements
> also apply to batteries  that emit hydrogen gas during charging (solar or
> otherwise) in  confined spaces.
> For those who are interested, the site also provides  links to pdfs of the
> Boatbuilder's Handbook for  download.
>
> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for  Backyard Boat Builders"
> which I have found very useful over the years  is available at:
>
>
>  
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatbuilders.pdf
>
>  Please err on the side of safety.  Don't play around with lives.   Many 
of
> these rules were established after an avoidable  accident.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>  Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> From:  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15  AM
>  > Charles,
> > Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the  lazzerette for almost twenty years. I
> > moved it only after I  installed the electric motor lift which places an
> > electric   motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is 
not
>  air
> > tight and if  you look under both seats you will see  large openings 
which
> > provide adequate  ventilation. People  on the list were worried that I 
was
> going to
> > blow myself  up,  but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to drink
>  like
> > crazy and smoked  cigars and cigarettes.......all at  the same time and
> > never had a problem with  gas  fumes.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> >  In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >  blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> >  I  sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the  only
> Rhodie
> > in  these parts so you probably won't  even hear the explosion......I 
do't
> > have  propane on the  boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I
> don't
> >  have one  of those either.
> >
> > Thanks for the  education, I will gfive some thought to  moving the 
tank.
>  >
> > Charles
> > s/v Blue Feather
> > 84 R 22  ... recycled  96
> >
> >> From:  mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >> To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010  08:53:59  -0500
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction - Now gas tank in  laz
> >>
> >>  It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes  ...
>  >>
> >> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be  fairly  explosive. Since
> > the
> >> laz is not  ventilated, it is not a great place  to store gasoline. I
>  have
> >> always stored a 6 gal tank under the  cockpit seat  without a problem
> > where at
> >> least the fumes  (lighter than  air) would not be trapped.
> >>
>  >> BTW, where do you store your  propane (heavier than air)? Please  do 
not
> >> store it in the  cabin.
> >>
>  >> Where do you sail,again?
> >>
> >>  Mike
> >>  s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>  Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>  ----- Original  Message -----
> >> From: "Charles Nieman"   <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "Rhodes List"   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November  18, 2010  8:42 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
> >>
> >>
> >> >
>  >> > I don't know about all that political stuff .....  but  what's this
> > about
> >> > keeping your gas tank in  tha  lazerette????? That is where I have
> > always
>  >> > kept mine .... is  this a problem????
> >>  >
> >> > Charles
> >> >
>  >>  >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>  >> >> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>  >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39  -0600
> >> >>  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>   >>
> >> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at  least  passionate rants.
> > Thoughts
> >> >>  on
> >> >> midterm  elections? Sarah Palin's book tour?  Did dinosaurs really
> > exist?
> >>  >> Do  you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least keeping
> >  their
> >> >> gas
> >> >> tank in the  lazerette?
> >>  >>
> >> >> Watching  and waiting from BR,
> >>  >>
> >> >>  Ben
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>   >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> >>   [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff
>  Farrell
> >>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010  12:39
> >> >> To: The  Rhodes 22 Email List
>  >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Reintroduction
>  >> >>
> >> >> Thank God... on both   counts.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Nov 17,  2010 at 12:28 PM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >>  >>
> >> >> >  Mike.
> >> >>  > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to  have a  
separation
> > of
> >> >> > sailing from  politics. The  political people left the list and
> >  started
> >> >> their
> >>  >> >  own
> >> >> > social network list. The sailors and   most of the drunks are 
still
> > here.
> >> >>  >
> >> >> >  Rummy
> >> >>  >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In a   message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard 
Time,
> >>  >>  > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
> >> >>  >
> >> >>  > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike  Corley, a loyal Rhodes 
owner
> > since
> >> >> >  1996. I have not been active on the list in  several years. It is
>  >> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than  it used to be.  Sort of miss 
the
> >> >> barroom
> >> >>  >  mentality of the old list.
> >> >> > I have  owned two Rhodes, the  first was a new 96 model I bought
>  from
> >> >> > Stan and then  after returning from  Europe Stan made me a great
> deal
> > and
> >>  >>  > I
> >> >> > traded it in on a  slightly used and upgraded 99  Rhodes in 2000,
> but
>  >> >> > that
> >> >> >  is
>  >> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked  the  boat so 
much
> I
> >> >> > bought
>  >> >> > it twice. I  still take the boat back to GB in  Edenton, NC when 
it
> > needs
> >> >>  >  work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
>  business
> > I
> >> >> > have
> >>  >> > ever dealt with and they  still do good work!
>  >> >> > I just recently retired from the  Army after 30  years of 
service. I
> >> >> > retired from Fort   Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at 
the
> >> >>  >  intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at  
the
> > Old
> >>  >> > Point
>  >> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in  Hampton, Va which  is about 22 
miles
> > from
> >> >> > Smithfield.  My  children are grown now so I primarily singlehand
> >  which
> >> >> >  is
> >> >> >  easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the  Southern
> >  Chesapeake
> >> >> > for
> >> >> >  the last  four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out of
>  > Middle
> >> >>  > River
> >>  >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse  river, and  Washington 
DC
> > on
> >> >> > the
>  >> >> >  Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the  Rhodes is a great
> > costal
> >>  >>  and
> >> >> > inland pocket cruiser!
> >>  >>  >
> >> >> > Mike Corley
>  >> >> > S/V  Ranger
> >> >> > 99  Rhodes
> >> >> > Hampton Roads,  Va
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