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gas tank in laz
2010-11-18; 12:38:00 EST
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Sail safe? Are you out of your mind man? Most people don't want to sail with me a second time. I get them drunk and then scare the crap out of them. Rummy In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:46:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mweisner at ebsmed.com writes: Hey Rummy, Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles took the bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what you wish for. I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest in rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly a terrible thing, this getting older business. Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind. Their lives are in your hands. Mike s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81) Nissequogue River, NY From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AMSee the original archive post
> Mike, > And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect me to > live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the rest > of > the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere? > > Rummy > > > In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mweisner at ebsmed.com writes: > > Rummy, > > Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe > condition. Please review the USCG site > http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg.aspx > with particular attention to the > following portion: > Portable Fuel Tanks > Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers are > required to be equipped with natural ventilation. > > Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel tank > compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel tank > vents > into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is required. > > Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment, gasoline > vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a compartment > that > will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a compartment. Any > openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit explosive > vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source might > ignite > the vapors. > > The "natural ventilation" must consist of: > > (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a > ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated > to the atmosphere; > and > > (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or exhaust > duct(s) to the atmosphere. > > Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the boat: > "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15 square > inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each cubic > foot > of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this requirement > while > the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the cabin > interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation > requirements > also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging (solar or > otherwise) in confined spaces. > For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs of the > Boatbuilder's Handbook for download. > > A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat Builders" > which I have found very useful over the years is available at: > > http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardboatb > uilders.pdf > > Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives. Many of > these rules were established after an avoidable accident. > > Mike > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM >> Charles, >> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty years. I >> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which places an >> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz is > not air >> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large openings > which >> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried that I > was going to >> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to drink > like >> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time and >> never had a problem with gas fumes. >> >> Rummy >> >> >> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the only > Rhodie >> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the explosion......I > do't >> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a stove? I > don't >> have one of those either. >> >> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the >> tank. >> >> Charles >> s/v Blue Feather >> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96 >> >>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in laz >>> >>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ... >>> >>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive. Since >> the >>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store gasoline. I > have >>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a problem >> where at >>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped. >>> >>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please do not > >>> store it in the cabin. >>> >>> Where do you sail,again? >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> >>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's this >> about >>> > keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I have >> always >>> > kept mine .... is this a problem???? >>> > >>> > Charles >>> > >>> >> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com >>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> >> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600 >>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction >>> >> >>> >> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate rants. >> Thoughts >>> >> on >>> >> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs really >> exist? >>> >> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least keeping >> their >>> >> gas >>> >> tank in the lazerette? >>> >> >>> >> Watching and waiting from BR, >>> >> >>> >> Ben >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org >>> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff > Farrell >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39 >>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction >>> >> >>> >> Thank God... on both counts. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > Mike. >>> >> > Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a > separation >> of >>> >> > sailing from politics. The political people left the list and >> started >>> >> their >>> >> > own >>> >> > social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are still >> here. >>> >> > >>> >> > Rummy >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> >> > michael.4591 at gmail.com writes: >>> >> > >>> >> > By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal Rhodes > owner >> since >>> >> > 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years. It is >>> >> > definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of miss >>> >> the >>> >> barroom >>> >> > mentality of the old list. >>> >> > I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I bought > from >>> >> > Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a great > deal >> and >>> >> > I >>> >> > traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in 2000, > but >>> >> > that >>> >> > is >>> >> > another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat so > much I >>> >> > bought >>> >> > it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC when it >> needs >>> >> > work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest > business >> I >>> >> > have >>> >> > ever dealt with and they still do good work! >>> >> > I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of service. > I >>> >> > retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va at >>> >> > the >>> >> > intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat at the >> Old >>> >> > Point >>> >> > Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about 22 > miles >> from >>> >> > Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily singlehand >> which >>> >> > is >>> >> > easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the Southern >> Chesapeake >>> >> > for >>> >> > the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes out of >> Middle >>> >> > River >>> >> > near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and Washington > DC >> on >>> >> > the >>> >> > Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a great >> costal >>> >> and >>> >> > inland pocket cruiser! >>> >> > >>> >> > Mike Corley >>> >> > S/V Ranger >>> >> > 99 Rhodes >>> >> > Hampton Roads, Va >>> >> > __________________________________________________ >>> >> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> >> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >> > >>> >> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives >>> >> > go >>> >> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> > __________________________________________________ >>> >> > >>> >> > __________________________________________________ >>> >> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> >> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >> > >>> >> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives >>> >> > go >>> >> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> > __________________________________________________ >>> >> > >>> >> __________________________________________________ >>> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >> >>> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go >>> >> to >>> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> __________________________________________________ >>> >> >>> >> __________________________________________________ >>> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >> >>> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go >>> >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> >> __________________________________________________ >>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ >>> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> > >>> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and > archives >> go >>> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> > __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________
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