Roger left because he couldn't get along in this community. No other  
reason. And please sign your posts. 
 
Rummy
 
 
In a message dated 3/17/2014 10:07:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sprocket80 at mail.com writes:

This is  exactly why Roger left.

It is not always about the Zen, or another  excuse to drink. Some people 
enjoy the practical and technical aspects of  sailing...with or without 
libation.
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with  mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Dennis  <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com> wrote:

Easy on the engineers,  Rummie. Some engineers do their best work with rum  
in
hand.

Dennis
Magic Moments
Thawing out over the Detroit  River

-----Original Message-----
From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of
R22RumRunner at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:48  PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  centerboard attachment

Ric,
Really? You think that it would go  through the centerboard cap?The bottom 
of
the old style center board is  rounded. The odds of taking a perfect direct
hit with no forward motion are  so remote I won't take the time to calculate
it. Again, this is a what if  scenario without it ever having happened in my
Rhodes life. I have seen a  whole lot of other things go wrong while
sailing, but do not try to find a  scenario that finds fault with our Rhodes
where one does not exist. Give me  a real life experience and we will try to
find a reason for it happening  and why and try not to do it again. There is
nothing wrong with either  centerboard design in my opinion and most of the
Rhodes nation would agree.  Are you an engineer by any chance? I have found
that engineers do not make  very good sailors. They tend to over think
everything and forget why they  are out sailing in the first place: to drink
alcohol. Massive quantities of  alcohol.

Rummy


In a message dated 3/15/2014 4:36:47 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:

Rhodies use GPS  and never, ever sail in foggy weather. Blue skies and  
sunshine.

Rummy


In a message dated 3/15/2014 1:17:33  P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cover-man at comcast.net  writes:

Guys,

A very good point by Stan...

Art

On  Mar 7, 2014 9:34 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>  wrote:
>
> a lot of misinformation here but am too busy to  infringe on your fun 
> - just want to remind all that no one is talking  about the 
> combination Keel/Diamondboard boats and that you old timers  can get 
> the same pivoting benefits effect by simply sailing with your  prior 
> style board being kept raked slightly aft. . . . . or you can  buy a 
> fixed keel boat and bite your tongue.
>
>  ss
>
>
> On 3/7/14, 8:51 AM, Ric Stott wrote: 
> >  Hmm! 
> > I'm very grateful for this thread and this communication.  
> > I see this as an inherent and dangerous weakness in the boat.  
> > I was sailing in a keel boat once long ago. We were on our way  to a 
> > race in Fisher's Island sound. 
> > It was foggy  and before GPS, we proudly knew where we were, but not 
> > to the  nearest yard. 
> > There are some tall rocks close to the edge of the  channel in 
> > otherwise very deep water. 
> > There was a  2 ft chop on a 2 foot swell from offshore and it was 
> > low tide.  
> > The wind had dropped off and we were moving only a knot or two,  
> > bobbing in the bumps. 
> > Cocky and content, alert and  on watch, we were cruising along with 
the 

> > chute up.  
> > Suddenly, the boat dropped off a wave on the keel came down on a  
rock. 
> > We hit so hard I bit my tung bloody from the impact.  The mast and 
> > rigging twanged like it broke. We quickly checked  the bilge fearing 
> > the worse, but to everyones surprise - no  leaks. 
> > An underwater inspection revealed a big dent on the  bottom of the 
lead 
> > keel. 
> > If that happened in a  Rhodes 22, it would have driven the CB right 
> > through the cap and  flooded the boat. 
> > No wonder Stan builds in floatation. 
>  > 
> > There must be a solution here. 
> > What holds the  garden hose in place, anybody know? 
> > 
> > Ric 
>  > Dadventure 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 6, 2014, at  9:58 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: 
> > 
> >> I have a  different take on some of these issues, don't know if I'm 
> >>  right, 
> >> probably just a different take. I think I remember  someone on the 
list 
> >> saying the pcv pieces slide on each  side of the cb pin and act as a 
> >> sacrificial bushing , so the  stainless steel pivot pin doesn't eat 
> >> out the 
>  >> fiberglass in the side and bottom of the grove. Hope I didn't dream  
> >> that, 
> >> because I spent a lot of time making  them bushings, mine didn't have 
> >> them. 
> >> I'm  not sure trying to limit the cb's vertical movement is the 
best 
>  >> idea. I'm thinking anything you put in the channels has a chance of  
> >> falling out and jambing the cb travel. Anything hard screwed  in the 
> >> channels has a good chance of tearing big holes in  the cb trunk and 
> >> taking out both sides of the cb cap. If you  think fixing the cb cap 
> >> was 
> >> a pain, ask  Lou how much fun it is to do repairs inside the 
> >> centerboard  
> >> trunk. 
> >> I'm thinking the best bet is to not  anchor/moor in shallow water, 
> >> don't 
> >> motor  backward in shallow water, and NEVER EVER splash the boat 
unless 
>  >> the cb pendant is cleated with the cb in the UP position. Any other  
> >> ides 
> >> on this are more than welcome.  
> >> 
> >> Jerry 
> >> 
> >>  
> >> 
> >>> I have changed the title of this  exchange as it appear the topic 
has 
> >>> morphed 
>  >>> from the matter of the mast post base to the question of how the  
> >>> centreboard 
> >>> is attached and how  this might result in damage to the cap if the 
> >>>  centreboard is not held in the up position when launching. 
>  >>> 
> >>> My centreboard pivot pin rides in two  vertical channels in the 
> >>> housing 
> >>>  that 
> >>> are about 5" long. Those grooves are very clear in  the second photo 
> >>> that 
> >>> Rob 
>  >>> Lowe just posted. As I saw it, the channels would allow the pin  to 
be 
> >>> dropped down to the proper position without  the need to insert the 
> >>> pin 
> >>> from  
> >>> the outside of the housing. It now occurs to me that  this design 
> >>> might 
> >>> also have been  intended to allow the pivot pin to rise up inside 
the 
>  >>> housing 
> >>> should the centreboard hit  something. Makes sense although perhaps 
> >>> not if 
>  >>> this would allow the centreboard to damage the cap. 
>  >>> 
> >>> In my case two length of .5 inch rigid PVC  pipe were placed in 
each 
> >>> channel 
>  >>> above the pin. It appears that these pipes were intended to  
prevent 
> >>> the 
> >>> pin 
>  >>> from rising up. As I mentioned earlier, I was pretty sure that  the 
> >>> cap had 
> >>> never been removed and  assumed, therefore, that the pieces of pipe 
> >>> were  
> >>> part 
> >>> of the original design. Now I  am beginning to wonder if this was 
> >>> some kind 
>  >>> of retrofit by a previous owner who, perhaps, was responding to  
> >>> damage 
> >>> caused when the centreboard  was pushed into the cap. 
> >>> 
> >>> I am  inclined to leave the pieces of pipe out when I reinstall the 
>  >>> centreboard or perhaps search for something that might act as a  
shock 
> >>> absorber but still allow the board to raise up  if it hits a solid 
> >>> object. 
> >>> Perhaps  shorter lengths of flexible plastic tubing would work. 
> >>>  
> >>> Has anyone else found a similar arrangement in the pivot  pin 
channel? 
> >>> Any thoughts? 
> >>>  
> >>> Graham 
> >>> 
> >>>  
> >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >>>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob 
>  >>> Sent: March-06-14 3:13 PM 
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22  Email List 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Searching the  archives and settled 
> >>> step >now 
> >>>  mast step cb leak 
> >>> 
> >>> It seems like  there are various versions of CB and the lift 
> >>> systems.  Here 
> >>> are some photos that someone (I forgot who, sorry!)  posted of their 
> >>> CB 
> >>> taken 
>  >>> apart. - rob 
> >>> 
> >>>  h
ttp://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200507/14/Getaway1.jpg 
 

> >>>  
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch
/200507/14/Getaway2.jpg  
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  >>> -----Original Message----- 
> >>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >>>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott 
>  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 2:00 PM 
> >>> To:  The Rhodes 22 Email List 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Searching the archives and settled 
> >>> step >now 
>  >>> mast step cb leak 
> >>> 
> >>>  Thanks Graham 
> >>> It might have been cracked when they  loaded it onto a trailer to 
> >>> launch 
> >>>  last 
> >>> spring and delivered it to me. 
>  >>> It was a transport trailer. 
> >>> Sam replied  that the pendant had to be cleated when trailered, or 
> >>> it  would 
> >>> cause a crack. 
> >>> I'd like to  understand the mechanics of that reply. 
> >>> Is the top or  aft edge of the CB that close to the cap, and what 
> >>>  component 
> >>> would allow it to move vertically, a hinge  pin? 
> >>> Is there a CB diagram anywhere? 
>  >>> I think it was leaking, but very little until later in the season  
> >>> then 
> >>> - after a storm, it got much  worse. 
> >>> The boat may have been on the bottom or bounced  on the bottom at a 
> >>> very 
> >>> low  
> >>> tide. 
> >>> I'll take it apart when it  warms up. 
> >>> Pendant - Braided nylon is very stretchy - is  that what we want? 
> >>> Ric 
> >>> 
>  >>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: 
>  >>> 
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