Yes, what Todd said!  Besides just drill them out reseal and use screws, nuts & bolts or SS pop rivets for another 50 years of fun. Chris Geankoplis
Rhodie for the last 48 years

On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:08 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> One only needs to understand that this person was complaining that the 50
> year old pop rivets were failing on his boat built in 1973. If memory
> serves me right, Stan wasn't building the hulls himself back then.
>
> C'mon...50 years for aluminum pop rivets in a marine environment?? That's
> what we in the mechanical trades call, LOM. (Lack of Maintenance)
> It is no fault of Stan's that those rivets were failing.
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 3:01 PM Stan Spitzer <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> > None of this is true re Rhodes built in our shops.
> >
> > I would have been hung and this Rhodes List site would not be so stoutly
> > supported.  I am not upset with "Goodness": after all he did say some
> > nice things about me.  I would just feel badly if Matt and David passed
> > on owning what sounded like it would have been the perfect choice for
> > their families.  And the following quote from David mite indicate at
> > least David did.
> >                      "Wow.  That post  is  a  keeper. !"
> >
> > Did you David?
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> > On 5/12/23 10:00 AM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > > Thanks so much everyone
> > >
> > > Matt Wilson
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:05 PM David Welch<dave at dlwelch.net>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Wow. That post is a keeper!
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 8:50 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yes!  The boats were designed to be easily taken apart for recycling.
> > >> The
> > >>> aluminum rivets were easily drilled out and the deck popped off so
> they
> > >>> could replace the rotten floor and cabinetry with a new set quickly.
> > The
> > >>> shrouds attach to the deck and not the hull and that puts a lot of
> > stress
> > >>> through the corroding rivets.  Additionally they were only sealed
> with
> > >>> silicone to aid seperation too instead of using a proper sealant like
> > >>> 3m4200 / 5200 (stronger) or even heaven forbid actually be glassed
> > >>> together! 😱
> > >>> The silicone goes bad after 8-10 years and the leaks start.
> > >>> My boat had 128 holes and it was leaking from many of them.
> > >>> The worst is the seat drain’s tiny tubes will stop up then rain will
> > >>> overflow the seats into the stern lazarette which drains into the
> bilge
> > >>> soaking the cabin floor over and over.  Fixes include glassing in the
> > aft
> > >>> lazarette and putting a seperate bilge pump in there or drilling out
> > new
> > >>> drains along the seat grooves that drain into the cockpit and down
> the
> > >> big
> > >>> main drain/scupper
> > >>> Other leak zones are your centerboard pennant tube.  My tube
> (waterhose
> > >>> section) didnt even make it to the upper fitting!  (More floor
> soaking)
> > >>> Front portlight water traps, and capillary action from the sliding
> > hatch
> > >> to
> > >>> name a few more sieve points.
> > >>>
> > >>> Still i hand it to Stan for being a marketing genius!  Great boats,
> > great
> > >>> adventure and designed in “flaws” (techniques) enabling the recycling
> > of
> > >>> Glass for 63 years plus is quite a feat!
> > >>> 🤓🫡⛵️
> > >>>
> > >>>> On May 11, 2023, at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson<mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>> Hello Rhodes, do I need to worry about hull separation on an
> original
> > >>> 1990
> > >>>> boat. I do have pretty significant leaking when it rains.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:34 PM Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I have a free 1973 R-22. These were the thick heavy hulls.  Deck
> has
> > >>>>> already partially seperated from the hull due to corroded aluminum
> > pop
> > >>>>> rivets that holds these boats together (not kidding); so would be
> > easy
> > >>> to
> > >>>>> completely seperate and rebuild interior while standing up!  Then
> > >> glass
> > >>>>> /bolt back together for an actual dry R-22.
> > >>>>> Needs a trailer and a lot of $, and hard work.
> > >>>>> Lol but hey thats a Rhodes.
> > >>>>> On the positive side, Great hull design and for this one i have a
> > >> taller
> > >>>>> mast that can custom offset the low power original sail plan for
> this
> > >>>>> heavier hand laid cloth hull.
> > >>>>> All free for hauling.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Spreadgoodnews at gmail.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On May 11, 2023, at 11:48 AM, JAMES DUNNIE JR<
> jldunnie at comcast.net>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi folks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I’m new to the mailing list, but think that I have read most
> > >> everything
> > >>>>> on the site!
> > >>>>>> As I’m recently retired, I am looking for a reasonably price
> Rhodes
> > >> 22.
> > >>>>> I have had a trailerable sailboat in the past, and believe the
> Rhodes
> > >> 22
> > >>>>> would fit my current needs/wants.  If you are selling your boat or
> > >> know
> > >>> of
> > >>>>> a boat for sale, I would appreciate any leads.
> > >>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Jim
> >
>