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peter klappert
head ventilation (Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4576), Issue 1
2024-08-03; 13:51:31 EDT
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I sent this at the end of July but haven’t seen it. In case I screwed up when sending (I frequently screw up things digital), here it is again .See the original archive post
On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 4:25 PM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I was the first—possibly the only—Rhodie who substituted an Airhead > composting head for the marine toilet and holding tank. (My R22 is kept on > a lift at my dock: I didn’t want to have to find a pump out station.) It > has a vent tube with a small computer fan, tho I doubt that affords much > head ventilation. > But I also had Stan install a solar fan (rechargeable batteries) in > the deck over the v-berth, way up in the bow. It pushes a great deal of air > through the whole cabin. With the sliding panel between the v-berth and > head pushed open (ie to port) it keeps the head well-ventilated and > indeed, it ventilates the whole cabin). > > > > > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<* > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 2:58 PM <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> > wrote: > >> Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews) >> 2. Re: Head ventilation (ROGER PIHLAJA) >> 3. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Michael McKay) >> 4. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews) >> 5. Re: Boom Rigging Question (PBR) >> 6. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Mike) >> 7. Re: Head ventilation (Mary Lou Troy) >> 8. Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Michael McKay) >> 9. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Todd Tavares) >> 10. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (Graham Stewart) >> 11. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (ROGER PIHLAJA) >> 12. Re: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Frank Goldsmith) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400 >> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation >> Message-ID: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45 at verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Here?s my friend Don?s hatches >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image0.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 110591 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I >> rebuilt the >> > interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple >> bilge >> > pumps. More headroom would be nice >> > >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: >> >>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I >> want >> >> to >> >>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff >> >> I'm >> >>> really jealous of! >> >>> >> >>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're >> all >> >>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch >> >>> over >> >>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that >> >> are >> >>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm >> worried >> >>> about cutting away too much of the roof. >> >>> >> >>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be >> >>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be >> >> better >> >>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you >> some >> >>> headroom! Thanks! >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000 >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation >> Message-ID: >> < >> MN2PR10MB42886A2EAACCF5F9D2A2AC1C80B62 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi All, >> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would like >> to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI >> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together represent a >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast. >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut >> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce the >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any >> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if >> you weaken it too much. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> 1978. Sanford, MI >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> > >> > ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: image0.jpeg >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 110591 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I >> rebuilt the >> >> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple >> bilge >> >> pumps. More headroom would be nice >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. >> >>> >> >>> Mike >> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> >>> Nissequogue River, NY >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: >> >>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I >> want >> >>> to >> >>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some >> stuff >> >>> I'm >> >>>> really jealous of! >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're >> all >> >>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a >> hatch >> >>>> over >> >>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches >> that >> >>> are >> >>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm >> worried >> >>>> about cutting away too much of the roof. >> >>>> >> >>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be >> >>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be >> >>> better >> >>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you >> some >> >>>> headroom! Thanks! >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400 >> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question >> Message-ID: <3E65320C-991D-4057-B001-D79B5C544C06 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block >> on the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam cleat >> at the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line. >> >> >> Michael McKay >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Mike, >> > >> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex. >> On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the >> masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached it >> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to adjust >> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This is at >> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with >> less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and >> effort to rebuild the factory setup. >> > >> > Roger Pihlaja >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> > 1978. Sanford, MI >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Hello everyone! >> >> >> >> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. >> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that >> time. >> >> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year >> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and >> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point). >> >> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom >> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make >> any sense. >> >> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's >> just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it >> was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015. >> >> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's >> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off. >> >> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the >> top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the >> manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF >> rotating shaft. >> >> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize >> it. >> >> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's >> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on >> the bottom of the boom. >> >> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can >> still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is >> routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things >> out. >> >> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make >> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..." >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> >> >> Mike Blagg >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> Name: sail rigging.jpg >> >> Type: image/jpeg >> >> Size: 69185 bytes >> >> Desc: not available >> >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/af2109cf/attachment.jpg >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400 >> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> >> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation >> Message-ID: <8602DCF2-A4C3-4B30-AAD8-21C7857737E0 at verizon.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a >> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches. >> Scott A. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Hi All, >> > >> > Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would >> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI >> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together represent a >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast. >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut >> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce the >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any >> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if >> you weaken it too much. >> > >> > Roger Pihlaja >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> > 1978. Sanford, MI >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> Name: image0.jpeg >> >> Type: image/jpeg >> >> Size: 110591 bytes >> >> Desc: not available >> >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg >> > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I >> rebuilt the >> >>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple >> bilge >> >>> pumps. More headroom would be nice >> >>> >> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike >> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: >> >>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I >> want >> >>>> to >> >>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some >> stuff >> >>>> I'm >> >>>>> really jealous of! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but >> they're all >> >>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a >> hatch >> >>>>> over >> >>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches >> that >> >>>> are >> >>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm >> worried >> >>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be >> >>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be >> >>>> better >> >>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give >> you some >> >>>>> headroom! Thanks! >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400 >> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question >> Message-ID: >> < >> CAJGJx+BF3gK+n0Q1_dWqC21aAq4RY+pCt+aZ1DHXGor6YFvrvA at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Mike, >> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere >> near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just runs >> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the >> cabin >> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top. >> Patrick >> >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Mike, >> > >> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex. >> On >> > my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the >> > masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached >> it >> > to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to >> adjust >> > the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This >> is at >> > least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with >> > less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and >> > effort to rebuild the factory setup. >> > >> > Roger Pihlaja >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> > 1978. Sanford, MI >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list < >> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > ?Hello everyone! >> > > >> > > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. >> > Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of >> that >> > time. >> > > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year >> > delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and >> > then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point). >> > > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom >> > lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't >> make >> > any sense. >> > > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's >> just >> > rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it >> was >> > Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015. >> > > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's >> > an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off. >> > > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the >> top >> > of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual. >> > However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF >> rotating >> > shaft. >> > > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize >> > it. >> > > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's >> > been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines >> on >> > the bottom of the boom. >> > > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can >> still >> > order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed >> > thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things >> out. >> > > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make >> > sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..." >> > > Any help would be much appreciated. >> > > >> > > Mike Blagg >> > > -------------- next part -------------- >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > > Name: sail rigging.jpg >> > > Type: image/jpeg >> > > Size: 69185 bytes >> > > Desc: not available >> > > URL: < >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/af2109cf/attachment.jpg >> > > >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question >> Message-ID: <1962400431.850453.1722256130953 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, >> the more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on >> the boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler >> in the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it. >> >> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer >> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote: >> Mike, >> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere >> near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just runs >> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the >> cabin >> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top. >> Patrick >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400 >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation >> Message-ID: <bbf164be-7ee0-4fa7-997a-09d0476d2bbd at atlanticbb.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of >> R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours it >> was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought >> the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead >> hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head >> area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what >> we had done. >> >> Mary Lou >> ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998) >> now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara >> Rock Hall, MD >> >> On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> > Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a >> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches. >> > Scott A. >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> ?Hi All, >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would >> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI >> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together represent a >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast. >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut >> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce the >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any >> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if >> you weaken it too much. >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> 1978. Sanford, MI >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches >> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >>> Name: image0.jpeg >> >>> Type: image/jpeg >> >>> Size: 110591 bytes >> >>> Desc: not available >> >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg >> > >> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I >> rebuilt the >> >>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple >> bilge >> >>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Mike >> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: >> >>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that >> I want >> >>>>> to >> >>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some >> stuff >> >>>>> I'm >> >>>>>> really jealous of! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but >> they're all >> >>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a >> hatch >> >>>>>> over >> >>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches >> that >> >>>>> are >> >>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm >> worried >> >>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can >> be >> >>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be >> >>>>> better >> >>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give >> you some >> >>>>>> headroom! Thanks! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:16:08 -0400 >> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer >> Message-ID: >> < >> CACo3U6M2gL2t6TKjntHnxkpiJ2BGN6jcq1c7RFz2PMTNHchc3g at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox. >> Pure Stan! >> >> Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com> >> Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM >> Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer >> To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> >> >> Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22) >> ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? >> Forwarded this email? 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Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage the >> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson* >> < >> https://substack.com/redirect/990e10b3-29d0-430d-948b-222a780777c4?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20 >> > >> >> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?* >> >> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I >> started >> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be >> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had been >> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a >> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told >> me >> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t >> we >> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and >> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made >> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a >> Corsaire >> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did >> not >> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United >> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the >> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in >> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine came >> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very few >> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners had a >> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me and >> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000 >> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into >> one >> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out >> as >> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all their >> investment. >> >> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?* >> >> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from >> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked >> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day >> jobs >> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat O?Day >> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so our >> timing was good. >> >> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?* >> >> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best name >> I >> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics so >> I >> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it, >> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name. >> < >> https://substack.com/redirect/e79f0a65-04fa-4e18-a533-f91a45c96834?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20 >> > >> >> *What was your first boat?* >> >> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did not >> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to >> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for >> practically >> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a >> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a >> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I >> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it as >> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people who >> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts >> with >> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those things; a >> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming too >> much. >> >> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?* >> >> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart >> enough >> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do >> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. They >> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me. >> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for me. >> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building the >> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to >> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and a >> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same >> thing >> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat. >> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get >> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I went >> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited, >> and >> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them >> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George >> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that company >> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one thing >> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this >> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils >> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers >> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils >> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me. >> >> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?* >> >> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but >> we >> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he >> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was building >> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced >> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the years. >> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford. >> >> *What came after the Picnic 17?* >> >> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge >> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were >> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip >> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says no >> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New >> York >> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked >> on >> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it was >> a >> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What do >> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him >> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers >> saying >> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But >> there >> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well >> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not >> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I >> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I learned >> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else >> and >> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes and >> corrections. >> >> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design your >> boat?* >> >> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it >> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could say >> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said >> I?d >> rather own it outright and he said fine. >> >> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or >> Phillip?s?* >> >> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat, >> the >> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull. >> And >> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an >> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of >> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on the >> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the boat >> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull. In >> a >> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a >> wave >> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at it >> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a >> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the >> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to >> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he didn?t >> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He >> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go >> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on >> him. >> By the time he finished he said he liked it. >> >> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.* >> >> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very >> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I >> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22. >> >> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?* >> >> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when >> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a >> motorboat >> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I just >> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around it. >> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With all >> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in >> those >> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that >> worked. I started taking orders. >> >> *What year was that?* >> >> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in 1970. >> >> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?* >> >> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there was >> a >> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down >> and >> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I >> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I >> want >> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he >> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, but >> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would take >> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll >> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the boat >> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our >> sales >> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the >> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it. >> < >> https://substack.com/redirect/b60057d0-8eb7-4aa2-a1b5-0b8cc1130f1b?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20 >> > >> >> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?* >> >> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track of a >> few, but at least 2,500. >> >> *Tell me about your recycled boats?* >> >> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make >> up >> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase >> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a >> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in >> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought it >> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a double-edged >> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in >> business. >> >> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?* >> >> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It >> would >> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do. >> >> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?* >> >> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show. >> >> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?* >> >> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show to >> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and hope >> to make 50. *?SCA?* >> >> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners, >> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan >> is >> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North >> Carolina. * >> >> *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and lives >> in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the >> Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. 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I have experience with two boats and it just >> runs >> > from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the >> cabin >> > top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top. >> > Patrick >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000 >> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? >> Message-ID: >> < >> SA1P222MB11407E7E6406E1B6B860EAE2F5B02 at SA1P222MB1140.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place >> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached >> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to >> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of >> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a >> large hole. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Rhodes 22 >> Agile, 1976 >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of >> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? >> >> Hi Rhodies, >> >> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it. >> >> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer >> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside. >> >> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Mike McKay >> S/V Liber 2006/2108 >> Allatoona Lake, GA >> >> >> >> >> Michael McKay >> (630) 209-2054 (m) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Chainplate.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 89771 bytes >> Desc: Chainplate.JPG >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240730/05e2d6ca/attachment.jpe >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000 >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? >> Message-ID: >> < >> MN2PR10MB4288347DE760F88DF97F00E780B02 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hi All, >> >> One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987 >> were the four lower chainplates. There is no way to inspect the factory >> OEM lower chainplates. Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate into >> the plywood core, causing it to rot. This is easily fixed by installing 4 >> Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W, Defender >> Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner. With these >> inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates thru >> the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish. I do not >> trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded component, >> especially not when the fix is so easy. Just bite the bullet and do this >> upgrade. You'll never have to worry about it again. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> 1978 Sanford, MI >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of >> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? >> >> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place >> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached >> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to >> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of >> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a >> large hole. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Rhodes 22 >> Agile, 1976 >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of >> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? >> >> Hi Rhodies, >> >> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it. >> >> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer >> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside. >> >> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Mike McKay >> S/V Liber 2006/2108 >> Allatoona Lake, GA >> >> >> >> >> Michael McKay >> (630) 209-2054 (m) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Chainplate.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 89771 bytes >> Desc: Chainplate.JPG >> URL: < >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20240730%2F05e2d6ca%2Fattachment.jpe&data=05%7C02%7C%7C00aa48bcb418480360ad08dcb0a2310f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638579458073076816%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FLnNro58IDe1WwpfkGbccN3v%2BccS0DNfMm%2BIOWMHbeg%3D&reserved=0 >> < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240730/05e2d6ca/attachment.jpe >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400 >> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer >> Message-ID: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Thanks for this ? a joy to read again. Vintage Stan ? you can just hear >> him speaking. >> >> Frank >> >> >> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:16?PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my >> inbox. >> > Pure Stan! >> > >> > Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) >> > >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> > From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com> >> > Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM >> > Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer >> > To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >> > >> > >> > Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22) >> > ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? >> ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? >> ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? >> ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? >> ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? >> ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? >> ?? >> > ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? >> > Forwarded this email? 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