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Got it Peter! I saw the installation, very neat.See the original archive post
On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:40 AM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> wrote: > I sent this at the end of July but haven’t seen it. In case I screwed up > when sending (I frequently screw up things digital), here it is again . > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 4:25 PM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I was the first—possibly the only—Rhodie who substituted an Airhead > > composting head for the marine toilet and holding tank. (My R22 is kept > on > > a lift at my dock: I didn’t want to have to find a pump out station.) It > > has a vent tube with a small computer fan, tho I doubt that affords much > > head ventilation. > > But I also had Stan install a solar fan (rechargeable batteries) in > > the deck over the v-berth, way up in the bow. It pushes a great deal of > air > > through the whole cabin. With the sliding panel between the v-berth and > > head pushed open (ie to port) it keeps the head well-ventilated and > > > indeed, it ventilates the whole cabin). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *>>>>>>>>> *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<* > > > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221* > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 2:58 PM <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews) > >> 2. Re: Head ventilation (ROGER PIHLAJA) > >> 3. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Michael McKay) > >> 4. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews) > >> 5. Re: Boom Rigging Question (PBR) > >> 6. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Mike) > >> 7. Re: Head ventilation (Mary Lou Troy) > >> 8. Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Michael McKay) > >> 9. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Todd Tavares) > >> 10. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (Graham Stewart) > >> 11. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (ROGER PIHLAJA) > >> 12. Re: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Frank Goldsmith) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400 > >> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation > >> Message-ID: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45 at verizon.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Here?s my friend Don?s hatches > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: image0.jpeg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 110591 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I > >> rebuilt the > >> > interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple > >> bilge > >> > pumps. More headroom would be nice > >> > > >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < > Mweisner at ebsmed.com > >> > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. > >> >> > >> >> Mike > >> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> >> Nissequogue River, NY > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: > >> >>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I > >> want > >> >> to > >> >>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some > stuff > >> >> I'm > >> >>> really jealous of! > >> >>> > >> >>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're > >> all > >> >>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a > hatch > >> >>> over > >> >>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches > that > >> >> are > >> >>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm > >> worried > >> >>> about cutting away too much of the roof. > >> >>> > >> >>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be > >> >>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be > >> >> better > >> >>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you > >> some > >> >>> headroom! Thanks! > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000 > >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> > MN2PR10MB42886A2EAACCF5F9D2A2AC1C80B62 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com > >> > > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would > like > >> to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI > >> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together > represent a > >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast. > >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be > cut > >> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce > the > >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in > any > >> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue > >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise > >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix > if > >> you weaken it too much. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> 1978. Sanford, MI > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> > Name: image0.jpeg > >> > Type: image/jpeg > >> > Size: 110591 bytes > >> > Desc: not available > >> > URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg > >> > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I > >> rebuilt the > >> >> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple > >> bilge > >> >> pumps. More headroom would be nice > >> >> > >> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < > >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. > >> >>> > >> >>> Mike > >> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> >>> Nissequogue River, NY > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: > >> >>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I > >> want > >> >>> to > >> >>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some > >> stuff > >> >>> I'm > >> >>>> really jealous of! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but > they're > >> all > >> >>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a > >> hatch > >> >>>> over > >> >>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches > >> that > >> >>> are > >> >>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm > >> worried > >> >>>> about cutting away too much of the roof. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can > be > >> >>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be > >> >>> better > >> >>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give > you > >> some > >> >>>> headroom! Thanks! > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400 > >> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question > >> Message-ID: <3E65320C-991D-4057-B001-D79B5C544C06 at gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block > >> on the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam > cleat > >> at the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line. > >> > >> > >> Michael McKay > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > ?Mike, > >> > > >> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex. > >> On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the > >> masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached > it > >> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to > adjust > >> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This > is at > >> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with > >> less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and > >> effort to rebuild the factory setup. > >> > > >> > Roger Pihlaja > >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > 1978. Sanford, MI > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list < > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ?Hello everyone! > >> >> > >> >> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. > >> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of > that > >> time. > >> >> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year > >> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and > >> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point). > >> >> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom > >> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't > make > >> any sense. > >> >> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's > >> just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat > because it > >> was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015. > >> >> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. > It's > >> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off. > >> >> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the > >> top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the > >> manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the > IMF > >> rotating shaft. > >> >> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can > visualize > >> it. > >> >> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's > >> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines > on > >> the bottom of the boom. > >> >> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can > >> still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is > >> routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure > things > >> out. > >> >> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would > make > >> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..." > >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. > >> >> > >> >> Mike Blagg > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> >> Name: sail rigging.jpg > >> >> Type: image/jpeg > >> >> Size: 69185 bytes > >> >> Desc: not available > >> >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/af2109cf/attachment.jpg > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400 > >> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> > >> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation > >> Message-ID: <8602DCF2-A4C3-4B30-AAD8-21C7857737E0 at verizon.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a > >> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches. > >> Scott A. > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > ?Hi All, > >> > > >> > Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would > >> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI > >> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together > represent a > >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast. > >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be > cut > >> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce > the > >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in > any > >> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue > >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise > >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix > if > >> you weaken it too much. > >> > > >> > Roger Pihlaja > >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > 1978. Sanford, MI > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> >> Name: image0.jpeg > >> >> Type: image/jpeg > >> >> Size: 110591 bytes > >> >> Desc: not available > >> >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg > >> > > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > >> >>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I > >> rebuilt the > >> >>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple > >> bilge > >> >>> pumps. More headroom would be nice > >> >>> > >> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < > >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Mike > >> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: > >> >>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that > I > >> want > >> >>>> to > >> >>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some > >> stuff > >> >>>> I'm > >> >>>>> really jealous of! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but > >> they're all > >> >>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a > >> hatch > >> >>>>> over > >> >>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches > >> that > >> >>>> are > >> >>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm > >> worried > >> >>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can > be > >> >>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would > be > >> >>>> better > >> >>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give > >> you some > >> >>>>> headroom! Thanks! > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 5 > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400 > >> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> CAJGJx+BF3gK+n0Q1_dWqC21aAq4RY+pCt+aZ1DHXGor6YFvrvA at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Mike, > >> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go > anywhere > >> near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just > runs > >> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the > >> cabin > >> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top. > >> Patrick > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Mike, > >> > > >> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex. > >> On > >> > my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the > >> > masthead. I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and > attached > >> it > >> > to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom. Now, if you want to > >> adjust > >> > the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head. This > >> is at > >> > least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter > with > >> > less windage too. Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble > and > >> > effort to rebuild the factory setup. > >> > > >> > Roger Pihlaja > >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > 1978. Sanford, MI > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list < > >> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > ?Hello everyone! > >> > > > >> > > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. > >> > Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of > >> that > >> > time. > >> > > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, > two-year > >> > delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, > and > >> > then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point). > >> > > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom > >> > lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't > >> make > >> > any sense. > >> > > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's > >> just > >> > rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it > >> was > >> > Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015. > >> > > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. > It's > >> > an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off. > >> > > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the > >> top > >> > of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the > manual. > >> > However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF > >> rotating > >> > shaft. > >> > > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can > visualize > >> > it. > >> > > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's > >> > been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black > lines > >> on > >> > the bottom of the boom. > >> > > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can > >> still > >> > order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is > routed > >> > thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things > >> out. > >> > > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would > make > >> > sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. > "Seems..." > >> > > Any help would be much appreciated. > >> > > > >> > > Mike Blagg > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> > > Name: sail rigging.jpg > >> > > Type: image/jpeg > >> > > Size: 69185 bytes > >> > > Desc: not available > >> > > URL: < > >> > > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/af2109cf/attachment.jpg > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 6 > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC) > >> From: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question > >> Message-ID: <1962400431.850453.1722256130953 at mail.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, > >> the more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line > on > >> the boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the > furler > >> in the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it. > >> > >> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mike, > >> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go > anywhere > >> near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just > runs > >> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the > >> cabin > >> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top. > >> Patrick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 7 > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400 > >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation > >> Message-ID: <bbf164be-7ee0-4fa7-997a-09d0476d2bbd at atlanticbb.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> > >> Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of > >> R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours it > >> was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought > >> the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead > >> hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head > >> area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what > >> we had done. > >> > >> Mary Lou > >> ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998) > >> now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara > >> Rock Hall, MD > >> > >> On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote: > >> > Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a > >> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches. > >> > Scott A. > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ?Hi All, > >> >> > >> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask. I would > >> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI > >> implemented those 2 opening hatches. Those 2 hatches together > represent a > >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast. > >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be > cut > >> into it without compromising the structure? If Stan had to reinforce > the > >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in > any > >> advertisement that I saw. I wish there was someone to ask re this issue > >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?. Scott, I advise > >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix > if > >> you weaken it too much. > >> >> > >> >> Roger Pihlaja > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> >> 1978. Sanford, MI > >> >> > >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >> >> > >> >>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches > >> >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> >>> Name: image0.jpeg > >> >>> Type: image/jpeg > >> >>> Size: 110591 bytes > >> >>> Desc: not available > >> >>> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/9b752101/attachment.jpeg > >> > > >> >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >> >>> > >> >>> Sent from my iPhone > >> >>> > >> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I > >> rebuilt the > >> >>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple > >> bilge > >> >>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner < > >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com> > >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Mike > >> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote: > >> >>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that > >> I want > >> >>>>> to > >> >>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some > >> stuff > >> >>>>> I'm > >> >>>>>> really jealous of! > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but > >> they're all > >> >>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a > >> hatch > >> >>>>>> over > >> >>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches > >> that > >> >>>>> are > >> >>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm > >> worried > >> >>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can > >> be > >> >>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would > be > >> >>>>> better > >> >>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give > >> you some > >> >>>>>> headroom! Thanks! > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 8 > >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:16:08 -0400 > >> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> CACo3U6M2gL2t6TKjntHnxkpiJ2BGN6jcq1c7RFz2PMTNHchc3g at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my > inbox. > >> Pure Stan! > >> > >> Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > >> From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com> > >> Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM > >> Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer > >> To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > >> > >> > >> Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22) > >> ? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? > ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? > ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? > ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? > ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? > ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? > ?? > >> ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ?? ? ? > >> Forwarded this email? 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Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage > the > >> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson* > >> < > >> > https://substack.com/redirect/990e10b3-29d0-430d-948b-222a780777c4?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20 > >> > > >> > >> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?* > >> > >> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I > >> started > >> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be > >> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had > been > >> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a > >> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told > >> me > >> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t > >> we > >> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and > >> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made > >> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a > >> Corsaire > >> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did > >> not > >> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United > >> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the > >> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in > >> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine > came > >> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very > few > >> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners > had a > >> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me > and > >> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000 > >> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into > >> one > >> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out > >> as > >> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all > their > >> investment. > >> > >> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?* > >> > >> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from > >> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked > >> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day > >> jobs > >> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat > O?Day > >> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so > our > >> timing was good. > >> > >> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?* > >> > >> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best > name > >> I > >> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics > so > >> I > >> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it, > >> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name. > >> < > >> > https://substack.com/redirect/e79f0a65-04fa-4e18-a533-f91a45c96834?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20 > >> > > >> > >> *What was your first boat?* > >> > >> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did > not > >> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to > >> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for > >> practically > >> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a > >> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a > >> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I > >> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it > as > >> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people > who > >> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts > >> with > >> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those > things; a > >> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming > too > >> much. > >> > >> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?* > >> > >> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart > >> enough > >> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do > >> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. > They > >> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me. > >> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for > me. > >> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building > the > >> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to > >> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and > a > >> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same > >> thing > >> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat. > >> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get > >> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I > went > >> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited, > >> and > >> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them > >> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George > >> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that > company > >> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one > thing > >> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this > >> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils > >> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers > >> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils > >> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me. > >> > >> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?* > >> > >> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but > >> we > >> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he > >> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was > building > >> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced > >> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the > years. > >> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford. > >> > >> *What came after the Picnic 17?* > >> > >> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge > >> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were > >> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip > >> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says > no > >> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New > >> York > >> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked > >> on > >> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it > was > >> a > >> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What > do > >> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him > >> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers > >> saying > >> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But > >> there > >> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well > >> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not > >> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I > >> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I > learned > >> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else > >> and > >> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes > and > >> corrections. > >> > >> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design > your > >> boat?* > >> > >> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it > >> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could > say > >> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said > >> I?d > >> rather own it outright and he said fine. > >> > >> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or > >> Phillip?s?* > >> > >> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat, > >> the > >> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull. > >> And > >> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an > >> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of > >> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on > the > >> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the > boat > >> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull. > In > >> a > >> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a > >> wave > >> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at > it > >> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a > >> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the > >> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to > >> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he > didn?t > >> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He > >> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go > >> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on > >> him. > >> By the time he finished he said he liked it. > >> > >> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.* > >> > >> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very > >> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I > >> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22. > >> > >> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?* > >> > >> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when > >> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a > >> motorboat > >> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I > just > >> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around > it. > >> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With > all > >> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in > >> those > >> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that > >> worked. I started taking orders. > >> > >> *What year was that?* > >> > >> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in > 1970. > >> > >> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?* > >> > >> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there > was > >> a > >> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down > >> and > >> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I > >> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I > >> want > >> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he > >> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, > but > >> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would > take > >> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll > >> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the > boat > >> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our > >> sales > >> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the > >> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it. > >> < > >> > https://substack.com/redirect/b60057d0-8eb7-4aa2-a1b5-0b8cc1130f1b?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20 > >> > > >> > >> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?* > >> > >> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track > of a > >> few, but at least 2,500. > >> > >> *Tell me about your recycled boats?* > >> > >> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make > >> up > >> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase > >> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a > >> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in > >> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought > it > >> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a > double-edged > >> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in > >> business. > >> > >> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?* > >> > >> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It > >> would > >> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do. > >> > >> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?* > >> > >> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show. > >> > >> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?* > >> > >> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show > to > >> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and > hope > >> to make 50. *?SCA?* > >> > >> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners, > >> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan > >> is > >> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North > >> Carolina. * > >> > >> *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and > lives > >> in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the > >> Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. 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> >> > >> Todd T. > >> > >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 2:25 PM Mike via Rhodes22-list < > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> > >> > It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, > >> the > >> > more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on > >> the > >> > boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler > >> in > >> > the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it. > >> > > >> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer > >> > > >> > On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > Mike, > >> > I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go > >> anywhere > >> > near the boom carriage. I have experience with two boats and it just > >> runs > >> > from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the > >> cabin > >> > top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top. > >> > Patrick > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 10 > >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000 > >> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> > SA1P222MB11407E7E6406E1B6B860EAE2F5B02 at SA1P222MB1140.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > >> > > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place > >> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have > attached > >> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to > >> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a > section of > >> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to > create a > >> large hole. > >> > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> Rhodes 22 > >> Agile, 1976 > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of > >> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? > >> > >> Hi Rhodies, > >> > >> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it. > >> > >> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer > >> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the > inside. > >> > >> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project? > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> Mike McKay > >> S/V Liber 2006/2108 > >> Allatoona Lake, GA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael McKay > >> (630) 209-2054 (m) > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Chainplate.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 89771 bytes > >> Desc: Chainplate.JPG > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240730/05e2d6ca/attachment.jpe > >> > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 11 > >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000 > >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> > MN2PR10MB4288347DE760F88DF97F00E780B02 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com > >> > > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987 > >> were the four lower chainplates. There is no way to inspect the factory > >> OEM lower chainplates. Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate > into > >> the plywood core, causing it to rot. This is easily fixed by > installing 4 > >> Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W, > Defender > >> Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner. With these > >> inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates > thru > >> the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish. I do > not > >> trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded > component, > >> especially not when the fix is so easy. Just bite the bullet and do > this > >> upgrade. You'll never have to worry about it again. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> 1978 Sanford, MI > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of > >> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? > >> > >> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place > >> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have > attached > >> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to > >> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a > section of > >> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to > create a > >> large hole. > >> > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> Rhodes 22 > >> Agile, 1976 > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of > >> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM > >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates? > >> > >> Hi Rhodies, > >> > >> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it. > >> > >> It is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer > >> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the > inside. > >> > >> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project? > >> > >> Thank you! > >> > >> Mike McKay > >> S/V Liber 2006/2108 > >> Allatoona Lake, GA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael McKay > >> (630) 209-2054 (m) > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Chainplate.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 89771 bytes > >> Desc: Chainplate.JPG > >> URL: < > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20240730%2F05e2d6ca%2Fattachment.jpe&data=05%7C02%7C%7C00aa48bcb418480360ad08dcb0a2310f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638579458073076816%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FLnNro58IDe1WwpfkGbccN3v%2BccS0DNfMm%2BIOWMHbeg%3D&reserved=0 > >> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240730/05e2d6ca/attachment.jpe > >> >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 12 > >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400 > >> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer > >> Message-ID: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gma > <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gmail.com>
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