Got it Peter!  I saw the installation, very neat.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:40 AM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I sent this at the end of July but haven’t seen it. In case I screwed up
> when sending (I frequently screw up things digital), here it is again .
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 4:25 PM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was the first—possibly the only—Rhodie who substituted an Airhead
> > composting head for the marine toilet and holding tank. (My R22 is kept
> on
> > a lift at my dock: I didn’t want to have to find a pump out station.) It
> > has a vent tube with a small computer fan, tho I doubt that affords much
> > head ventilation.
> >       But I also had Stan install a solar fan (rechargeable batteries) in
> > the deck over the v-berth, way up in the bow. It pushes a great deal of
> air
> > through the whole cabin. With the sliding panel between the v-berth and
> > head pushed open (ie to port) it keeps the head well-ventilated and
> >
> indeed, it ventilates the whole cabin).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
> >
> > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 2:58 PM <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org>
> > wrote:
> >
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> >>    1. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
> >>    2. Re: Head ventilation (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> >>    3. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Michael McKay)
> >>    4. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
> >>    5. Re: Boom Rigging Question (PBR)
> >>    6. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Mike)
> >>    7. Re: Head ventilation (Mary Lou Troy)
> >>    8. Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Michael McKay)
> >>    9. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Todd Tavares)
> >>   10. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (Graham Stewart)
> >>   11. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> >>   12. Re: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Frank Goldsmith)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400
> >> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> >> Message-ID: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45 at verizon.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> >> rebuilt the
> >> > interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> >> bilge
> >> > pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> Mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >> >>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> >> want
> >> >> to
> >> >>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> stuff
> >> >> I'm
> >> >>> really jealous of!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> >> all
> >> >>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> hatch
> >> >>> over
> >> >>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> that
> >> >> are
> >> >>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> >> worried
> >> >>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >> >>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >> >> better
> >> >>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> >> some
> >> >>> headroom! Thanks!
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000
> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <
> >>
> MN2PR10MB42886A2EAACCF5F9D2A2AC1C80B62 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
> >> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would
> like
> >> to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> >> implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together
> represent a
> >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be
> cut
> >> into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce
> the
> >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in
> any
> >> advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise
> >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix
> if
> >> you weaken it too much.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
> >> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >> > URL: <
> >>
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> >> >
> >> > -------------- next part --------------
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> >> rebuilt the
> >> >> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> >> bilge
> >> >> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mike
> >> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >> >>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> >> want
> >> >>> to
> >> >>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> >> stuff
> >> >>> I'm
> >> >>>> really jealous of!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
> they're
> >> all
> >> >>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> >> hatch
> >> >>>> over
> >> >>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> >> that
> >> >>> are
> >> >>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> >> worried
> >> >>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can
> be
> >> >>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >> >>> better
> >> >>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
> you
> >> some
> >> >>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400
> >> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> >> Message-ID: <3E65320C-991D-4057-B001-D79B5C544C06 at gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block
> >> on the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam
> cleat
> >> at the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line.
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Mike,
> >> >
> >> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.
> >> On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> >> masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached
> it
> >> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to
> adjust
> >> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This
> is at
> >> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with
> >> less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
> >> effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?Hello everyone!
> >> >>
> >> >> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> >> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of
> that
> >> time.
> >> >> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year
> >> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and
> >> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> >> >> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> >> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't
> make
> >> any sense.
> >> >> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's
> >> just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat
> because it
> >> was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> >> >> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes.
> It's
> >> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> >> >> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
> >> top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the
> >> manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the
> IMF
> >> rotating shaft.
> >> >> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can
> visualize
> >> it.
> >> >> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> >> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines
> on
> >> the bottom of the boom.
> >> >> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can
> >> still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is
> >> routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure
> things
> >> out.
> >> >> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would
> make
> >> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> >> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike Blagg
> >> >> -------------- next part --------------
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> >> >> Type: image/jpeg
> >> >> Size: 69185 bytes
> >> >> Desc: not available
> >> >> URL: <
> >>
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> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400
> >> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> >> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> >> Message-ID: <8602DCF2-A4C3-4B30-AAD8-21C7857737E0 at verizon.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
> >> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> >> Scott A.
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would
> >> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> >> implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together
> represent a
> >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be
> cut
> >> into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce
> the
> >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in
> any
> >> advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise
> >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix
> if
> >> you weaken it too much.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
> >> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >> >> Name: image0.jpeg
> >> >> Type: image/jpeg
> >> >> Size: 110591 bytes
> >> >> Desc: not available
> >> >> URL: <
> >>
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> >> >
> >> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> >> rebuilt the
> >> >>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> >> bilge
> >> >>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mike
> >> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that
> I
> >> want
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> >> stuff
> >> >>>> I'm
> >> >>>>> really jealous of!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
> >> they're all
> >> >>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> >> hatch
> >> >>>>> over
> >> >>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> >> that
> >> >>>> are
> >> >>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> >> worried
> >> >>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can
> be
> >> >>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would
> be
> >> >>>> better
> >> >>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
> >> you some
> >> >>>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400
> >> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <
> >> CAJGJx+BF3gK+n0Q1_dWqC21aAq4RY+pCt+aZ1DHXGor6YFvrvA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go
> anywhere
> >> near the boom carriage.  I have experience with two boats and it just
> runs
> >> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
> >> cabin
> >> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Mike,
> >> >
> >> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.
> >> On
> >> > my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> >> > masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and
> attached
> >> it
> >> > to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to
> >> adjust
> >> > the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This
> >> is at
> >> > least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter
> with
> >> > less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble
> and
> >> > effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> >> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > ?Hello everyone!
> >> > >
> >> > > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> >> > Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of
> >> that
> >> > time.
> >> > > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last,
> two-year
> >> > delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler,
> and
> >> > then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> >> > > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> >> > lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't
> >> make
> >> > any sense.
> >> > > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's
> >> just
> >> > rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it
> >> was
> >> > Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> >> > > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes.
> It's
> >> > an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> >> > > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
> >> top
> >> > of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the
> manual.
> >> > However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF
> >> rotating
> >> > shaft.
> >> > > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can
> visualize
> >> > it.
> >> > > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> >> > been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black
> lines
> >> on
> >> > the bottom of the boom.
> >> > > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can
> >> still
> >> > order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is
> routed
> >> > thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things
> >> out.
> >> > > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would
> make
> >> > sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight.
> "Seems..."
> >> > > Any help would be much appreciated.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike Blagg
> >> > > -------------- next part --------------
> >> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >> > > Name: sail rigging.jpg
> >> > > Type: image/jpeg
> >> > > Size: 69185 bytes
> >> > > Desc: not available
> >> > > URL: <
> >> >
> >>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240728/af2109cf/attachment.jpg
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> >> Message-ID: <1962400431.850453.1722256130953 at mail.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it,
> >> the more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line
> on
> >> the boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the
> furler
> >> in the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
> >>
> >> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >>
> >>   On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  Mike,
> >> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go
> anywhere
> >> near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just
> runs
> >> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
> >> cabin
> >> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400
> >> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> >> Message-ID: <bbf164be-7ee0-4fa7-997a-09d0476d2bbd at atlanticbb.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >>
> >> Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of
> >> R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours it
> >> was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought
> >> the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead
> >> hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head
> >> area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what
> >> we had done.
> >>
> >> Mary Lou
> >> ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998)
> >> now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
> >> Rock Hall, MD
> >>
> >> On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >> > Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
> >> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> >> > Scott A.
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?Hi All,
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would
> >> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> >> implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together
> represent a
> >> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> >> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be
> cut
> >> into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce
> the
> >> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in
> any
> >> advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> >> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise
> >> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix
> if
> >> you weaken it too much.
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >> >>> URL: <
> >>
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> >> >
> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> >> rebuilt the
> >> >>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> >> bilge
> >> >>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> >> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Mike
> >> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that
> >> I want
> >> >>>>> to
> >> >>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> >> stuff
> >> >>>>> I'm
> >> >>>>>> really jealous of!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
> >> they're all
> >> >>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> >> hatch
> >> >>>>>> over
> >> >>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> >> that
> >> >>>>> are
> >> >>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> >> worried
> >> >>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can
> >> be
> >> >>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would
> be
> >> >>>>> better
> >> >>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
> >> you some
> >> >>>>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 8
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:16:08 -0400
> >> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <
> >> CACo3U6M2gL2t6TKjntHnxkpiJ2BGN6jcq1c7RFz2PMTNHchc3g at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my
> inbox.
> >> Pure Stan!
> >>
> >> Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >> From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
> >> Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
> >> Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> >> To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>
> >> Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
> >> ?   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??
> >> ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??   ? ??
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> >> of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
> >>
> >> Jul 29
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> *I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General Boats
> >> <
> >>
> https://substack.com/redirect/d0f0c2f7-6dad-47c3-a2cb-29bc4ab00f28?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20
> >> >,
> >> in January of 2016 at his General Boats Plant in Edenton, North
> Carolina.
> >> General Boats has been in the sailboat business since 1959 and is best
> >> known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage
> the
> >> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
> >> <
> >>
> https://substack.com/redirect/990e10b3-29d0-430d-948b-222a780777c4?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20
> >> >
> >>
> >> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*
> >>
> >> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I
> >> started
> >> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
> >> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had
> been
> >> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a
> >> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told
> >> me
> >> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t
> >> we
> >> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
> >> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
> >> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a
> >> Corsaire
> >> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did
> >> not
> >> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
> >> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
> >> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
> >> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine
> came
> >> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very
> few
> >> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners
> had a
> >> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me
> and
> >> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
> >> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into
> >> one
> >> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out
> >> as
> >> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all
> their
> >> investment.
> >>
> >> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?*
> >>
> >> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
> >> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
> >> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day
> >> jobs
> >> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat
> O?Day
> >> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so
> our
> >> timing was good.
> >>
> >> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?*
> >>
> >> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best
> name
> >> I
> >> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics
> so
> >> I
> >> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it,
> >> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
> >> <
> >>
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> >> >
> >>
> >> *What was your first boat?*
> >>
> >> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did
> not
> >> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to
> >> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for
> >> practically
> >> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
> >> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
> >> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
> >> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it
> as
> >> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people
> who
> >> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts
> >> with
> >> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those
> things; a
> >> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming
> too
> >> much.
> >>
> >> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?*
> >>
> >> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart
> >> enough
> >> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do
> >> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas.
> They
> >> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
> >> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for
> me.
> >> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building
> the
> >> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
> >> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and
> a
> >> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same
> >> thing
> >> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat.
> >> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
> >> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I
> went
> >> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited,
> >> and
> >> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them
> >> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
> >> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that
> company
> >> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one
> thing
> >> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this
> >> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils
> >> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers
> >> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
> >> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me.
> >>
> >> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*
> >>
> >> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but
> >> we
> >> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he
> >> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was
> building
> >> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced
> >> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the
> years.
> >> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.
> >>
> >> *What came after the Picnic 17?*
> >>
> >> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge
> >> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
> >> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
> >> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says
> no
> >> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New
> >> York
> >> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked
> >> on
> >> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it
> was
> >> a
> >> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What
> do
> >> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him
> >> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers
> >> saying
> >> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But
> >> there
> >> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
> >> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
> >> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
> >> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I
> learned
> >> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else
> >> and
> >> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes
> and
> >> corrections.
> >>
> >> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design
> your
> >> boat?*
> >>
> >> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it
> >> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could
> say
> >> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said
> >> I?d
> >> rather own it outright and he said fine.
> >>
> >> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
> >> Phillip?s?*
> >>
> >> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat,
> >> the
> >> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull.
> >> And
> >> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
> >> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
> >> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on
> the
> >> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the
> boat
> >> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull.
> In
> >> a
> >> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a
> >> wave
> >> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at
> it
> >> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
> >> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
> >> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to
> >> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he
> didn?t
> >> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
> >> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go
> >> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on
> >> him.
> >> By the time he finished he said he liked it.
> >>
> >> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*
> >>
> >> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very
> >> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
> >> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.
> >>
> >> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*
> >>
> >> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
> >> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a
> >> motorboat
> >> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I
> just
> >> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around
> it.
> >> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With
> all
> >> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in
> >> those
> >> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
> >> worked. I started taking orders.
> >>
> >> *What year was that?*
> >>
> >> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in
> 1970.
> >>
> >> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*
> >>
> >> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there
> was
> >> a
> >> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down
> >> and
> >> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
> >> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I
> >> want
> >> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
> >> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it,
> but
> >> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would
> take
> >> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll
> >> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the
> boat
> >> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our
> >> sales
> >> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the
> >> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
> >> <
> >>
> https://substack.com/redirect/b60057d0-8eb7-4aa2-a1b5-0b8cc1130f1b?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20
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> >>
> >> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*
> >>
> >> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track
> of a
> >> few, but at least 2,500.
> >>
> >> *Tell me about your recycled boats?*
> >>
> >> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make
> >> up
> >> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
> >> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a
> >> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in
> >> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought
> it
> >> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a
> double-edged
> >> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
> >> business.
> >>
> >> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*
> >>
> >> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It
> >> would
> >> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.
> >>
> >> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?*
> >>
> >> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show.
> >>
> >> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*
> >>
> >> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show
> to
> >> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and
> hope
> >> to make 50. *?SCA?*
> >>
> >> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
> >> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan
> >> is
> >> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North
> >> Carolina. *
> >>
> >> *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and
> lives
> >> in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the
> >> Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. North Carolina?s
> >> milder winters keep Jerry on the water year round.*
> >>
> >> First appeared in issue #109
> >>
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:05:34 -0400
> >> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >> To: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <
> >> CAB-twMOXo8A2NnK5tEJ7EuTAc5BeGgmx2O0hfad_cBx8B_0oMQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Perhaps the previous owner tucked the loose end into the goose neck
> >> fitting, so it was not flapping loose during transport?
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 2:25 PM Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it,
> >> the
> >> > more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on
> >> the
> >> > boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler
> >> in
> >> > the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >> >
> >> >   On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >  Mike,
> >> > I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go
> >> anywhere
> >> > near the boom carriage.  I have experience with two boats and it just
> >> runs
> >> > from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
> >> cabin
> >> > top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> >> > Patrick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000
> >> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <
> >>
> SA1P222MB11407E7E6406E1B6B860EAE2F5B02 at SA1P222MB1140.NAMP222.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
> >> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
> >> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have
> attached
> >> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
> >> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a
> section of
> >> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to
> create a
> >> large hole.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Rhodes 22
> >> Agile, 1976
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> >>
> >> Hi Rhodies,
> >>
> >> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
> >>
> >> It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> >> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the
> inside.
> >>
> >> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> Mike McKay
> >> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> >> Allatoona Lake, GA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> -------------- next part --------------
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> >> Desc: Chainplate.JPG
> >> URL: <
> >>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240730/05e2d6ca/attachment.jpe
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 11
> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000
> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> >> Message-ID:
> >>         <
> >>
> MN2PR10MB4288347DE760F88DF97F00E780B02 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
> >> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987
> >> were the four lower chainplates.  There is no way to inspect the factory
> >> OEM lower chainplates.  Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate
> into
> >> the plywood core, causing it to rot.  This is easily fixed by
> installing 4
> >> Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W,
> Defender
> >> Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner.  With these
> >> inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates
> thru
> >> the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish.  I do
> not
> >> trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded
> component,
> >> especially not when the fix is so easy.  Just bite the bullet and do
> this
> >> upgrade.  You'll never have to worry about it again.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978  Sanford, MI
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> >>
> >> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
> >> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have
> attached
> >> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
> >> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a
> section of
> >> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to
> create a
> >> large hole.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Rhodes 22
> >> Agile, 1976
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> >>
> >> Hi Rhodies,
> >>
> >> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
> >>
> >> It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> >> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the
> inside.
> >>
> >> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> Mike McKay
> >> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> >> Allatoona Lake, GA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> >> Type: image/jpeg
> >> Size: 89771 bytes
> >> Desc: Chainplate.JPG
> >> URL: <
> >>
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> >>
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> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 12
> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400
> >> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> >> Message-ID: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gma
> <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gmail.com>