John Farmer,
Does this R22 have a faded orange paint on hull?
Any name?
I sold my R22 "Miracles " in 2017
It's been in Mill Basin @ BayEnd marina.
Contact me if this is same boat.
Lou

Troy, NY

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>    1. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (THOMAS POLISE)
>    2. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>    3. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (Michael D. Weisner)
>    4. Where to source parts for a project R22? (John Farmer)
>    5. Re: Where to source parts for a project R22? (Cindy Spitzer)
>    6. Re: Where to source parts for a project R22? (Michael D. Weisner)
>    7. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1 (David Worth)
>    8. 1993 RHODES 22 FOR SALE (David Worth)
>    9. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1 (David Worth)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 13:05:58 -0400
> From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> Message-ID: <0C1004AE-5FE0-443B-A469-671C590828E8 at aol.com>
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>
> I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog cut
> on the manual lift?
>
> > On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hello all,
> >
> > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> > entirely.
> >
> > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up
> a
> > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with the
> > throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> > either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> >
> > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull.
> It
> > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> > way!
> >
> > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> > you!
> >
> > Happy Spring!
> > Rosie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:07:11 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>, The Rhodes Email List
>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> Message-ID:
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>
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>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> I bought the manual lift back in 2011 direct from GBI.  You would have to
> check with Cindy Spitzer to see if they have any more stock or if they have
> conversion kits.  If they don?t have any stock; then, it?s just takes a
> couple of Harken side-by-side 3 sheave blocks, a cam cleat, and some 5/16?
> line to build your own, assuming you already have an electric GBI motor
> mount to convert.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> As Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2025, at 1:06?PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > ?I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> cut on the manual lift?
> >
> >> On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hello all,
> >>
> >> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> and
> >> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> >> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> >> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> Motor
> >> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> >> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> >> entirely.
> >>
> >> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> >> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> >> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> >> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> >> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> up a
> >> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> go,
> >> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> >> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> >> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> >> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> >> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> >> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> >> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> >> considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with the
> >> throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> >> ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> >> either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> >>
> >> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> >> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> hull. It
> >> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> >> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> >> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> >> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> >> way!
> >>
> >> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> >> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> to
> >> you!
> >>
> >> Happy Spring!
> >> Rosie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:16:00 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> Message-ID: <002001dbb61e$dd953960$98bfac20$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>
> Rosie,
>
> Are you willing to sell the electric winch "package"? I am interested in
> it.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rosie Krueger
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2025 11:10 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
>
> Hello all,
>
> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed with
> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve changing
> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing them
> entirely.
>
> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the top
> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller handle
> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up a
> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that the
> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the back
> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the epropulsion
> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of the
> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> considering buying this outboard for an
>  R22, definitely just go with the throttle controller from the start).
> With the light weight of the ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need
> any of the assistance from either the electric lift or a manual pulley
> conversion.
>
> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull. It
> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any adhesive
> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them my
> way!
>
> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> you!
>
> Happy Spring!
> Rosie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:33:33 -0400
> From: John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID:
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> Ro6etXMWcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello,
>
> I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for a
> new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and anticipate
> a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
>
> Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> installation issues?
>
> Thanks very much,
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:05:40 -0400
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CABbc6O6nAZBB-_EkdzG7xaBvoxk19wt4bH8+13SE7fPnMJZxXQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> The General Boats Parts Department has a variety of Rhodes 22 items and
> replacement parts available, including new and used sails.
>
> You can contact me directly at cindy at cindyspitzer.com or leave me a
> voicemail at phone number below, and I'll see if we have what you need.
>
> Congratulations on what sounds like a nice find at the perfect time.
>
> Happy sailing!
>
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025, 5:33?PM John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:04:39 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID: <001601dbb9fa$583718d0$08a54a70$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi John,
>
> Where in NY? Long Island? Do you need help?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> John Farmer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 5:34 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
>
> Hello,
>
> I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for a
> new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and anticipate
> a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
>
> Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> installation issues?
>
> Thanks very much,
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
> From: David Worth <dgworth3 at icloud.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <6E2A61F2-1239-4B94-AAE4-DD299A3A8043 at icloud.com>
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>
> David Gaston Worth
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> Lititz, PA 17543
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>
> > On Feb 19, 2025, at 11:30?PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> >
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> >
> >   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> >   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> >   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
> >   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
> >   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> >   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> >   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
> >   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> >  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
> >  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> >  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <1233443046.674089.1739673066534 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Fellow Skippers,?
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>  Matt,
> > Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the
> strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a
> couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him
> to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following
> day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> > Best,
> > Barry Ruehlen
> > SV Perseverance
> > '86 Rhodes 22
> > St James City, Fl.
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > Get Outlook for Android<
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >
> > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> remains my next project.
> > Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check
> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you
> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > Here is my email.
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> > HBNY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>
> >> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>
> >> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
> >> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> >> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed
> in
> >> how this turned out.
> >>
> >> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> floated
> >>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> short
> >>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> price,
> >>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
> This
> >>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
> in
> >>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>> Get Outlook for Android<
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> >>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
> >>>
> >>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> grateful for
> >>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> supplies.
> >>>
> >>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>
> >>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> out
> >>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
> and we
> >>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
> them
> >>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> Sails
> >>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
> >>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> that
> >>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
> to my
> >>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> would
> >>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> those
> >>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
> >>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
> with
> >>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> and
> >>> honest.
> >>>
> >>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> know,
> >>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> situation.
> >>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
> >>> 612-770-4531
> >>>
> >>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> would
> >>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
> budget at
> >>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Matt Wilson
> >>> Hornblower II
> >>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Barry,?
> > You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed
> from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> > Art?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> > From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> and cut it down to size.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?PBR,
> >>
> >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> only
> >> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> washers
> >> and nuts holding the cover down.
> >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
> >> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
> >> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
> >> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
> >> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked
> the
> >> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> >>
> >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> the
> >> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
> >> remove.
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
> >>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats
> and
> >>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> hull
> >>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
> >>>> bucket.
> >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
> >>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> >>> boat
> >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> walk
> >>> it
> >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
> >>> her
> >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> to
> >>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> > From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <
> BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Art,
> > Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago
> knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into
> a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers.
> The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about
> had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the
> centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we
> encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we
> would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint
> job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on
> the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are
> just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor
> gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild
> and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> > She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> > Best,
> > BARRY
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >
> > Barry,
> > You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed
> from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> > Art
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use
> Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> >
> > The rebate link is:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_rebates&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=M1ql3Q9PChf19Esa-lOfqQgrCFufg7Sv36Z_DUAygOc&e=
> >
> > The rebate form is available at:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_media_5921_pp-2D25066-2Dprotect-2Dand-2Dpropser-2Drebate-2Dflyer.pdf&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=2dcXNex9ruDDIuuCS32Dk-3TDZbJBWarUhKmGjx21E4&e=
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Michael McKay
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> >
> > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> and cut it down to size.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?PBR,
> >>
> >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> >> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> >> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
> >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> >> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
> >> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
> >> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
> >> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
> >> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk
> as I could from below.
> >>
> >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> >> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
> >> cabin to remove.
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> >>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
> >>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> >>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> >>>> gallon bucket.
> >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> >>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> >>> boat
> >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> >>>>> walk
> >>> it
> >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> >>>>> have
> >>> her
> >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> >>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> >>>>> insights
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several
> Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If
> you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a
> large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair
> of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make
> sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the
> nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> > To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless
> you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to
> prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands
> should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the
> top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat,
> you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to
> support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> >
> > Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are
> sanding and painting.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi Roger,
> >>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> > From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> >
> > Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> > facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >
> > Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > somewhere?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >> sails.
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> >>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>> remains my next project.
> >>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> out
> >>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> >>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >> check
> >>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >> you
> >>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> might
> >>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>> Here is my email.
> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>> Ric
> >>> Dadventure
> >>> HBNY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>
> >>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >> unkept,
> >>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >> patient
> >>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
> >> in
> >>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>> floated
> >>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>> short
> >>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>> price,
> >>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> 2.".
> >>> This
> >>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> is
> >>> in
> >>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> >>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >> grateful
> >>> for
> >>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>> supplies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >> out
> >>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>> and we
> >>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >> them
> >>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> >>> Sails
> >>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>> that
> >>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >> to
> >>> my
> >>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>> would
> >>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >> those
> >>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >> for
> >>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> dealing
> >>> with
> >>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >> and
> >>>>> honest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>> know,
> >>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>> situation.
> >>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> or
> >>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> >>> would
> >>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>> budget at
> >>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >
> > Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> > moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> > and small.
> >
> > Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> > etc.
> >
> > Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >
> > In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> > old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >
> > Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > otherwise busy lives.
> >
> > Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone!
> >>
> >> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> >> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>
> >> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >> somewhere?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>> sails.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>> 443-980-7367
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>> remains my next project.
> >>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >> out
> >>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >>> check
> >>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >>> you
> >>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >> might
> >>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>> Here is my email.
> >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>> Dadventure
> >>>> HBNY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>> unkept,
> >>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>> patient
> >>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >> disappointed
> >>> in
> >>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Matt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>> floated
> >>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>>> short
> >>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>>> price,
> >>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >> of
> >>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >> a
> >>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >> 2.".
> >>>> This
> >>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >> is
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >> of
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>> grateful
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >>> out
> >>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>>> and we
> >>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>> them
> >>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >> Lees
> >>>> Sails
> >>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >>> to
> >>>> my
> >>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>> those
> >>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>> for
> >>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >> dealing
> >>>> with
> >>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >>> and
> >>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>>> know,
> >>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>> situation.
> >>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >> or
> >>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >> they
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>> budget at
> >>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> > From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>
> >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> >> and small.
> >>
> >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>
> >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >> otherwise busy lives.
> >>
> >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >>> somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>> sails.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >>> out
> >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >>>> check
> >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> >>>> you
> >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>> might
> >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>>> unkept,
> >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>> patient
> >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >>> disappointed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>> floated
> >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>> short
> >>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on
> a
> >>>>> price,
> >>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >>> a
> >>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >>> 2.".
> >>>>> This
> >>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >>> is
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>>> grateful
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> >>>> out
> >>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> >>>>> and we
> >>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>>> them
> >>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >>> Lees
> >>>>> Sails
> >>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> >>>> to
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>>> those
> >>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >>> dealing
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> >>>>> know,
> >>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>>> situation.
> >>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >>> or
> >>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >>> they
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>>> budget at
> >>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.?
> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
> >    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>
> >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> >> and small.
> >>
> >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>
> >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >> otherwise busy lives.
> >>
> >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
> >>> somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>> sails.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >>> out
> >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
> >>>> check
> >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you
> feel
> >>>> you
> >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>> might
> >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> >>>> unkept,
> >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>> patient
> >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
> >>> disappointed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>> floated
> >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>> shor