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Todd Tavares
Cockpit Drainage Channel - Cracking
2026-10-29; 07:27:54 EDT
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2002-09-10
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How did we go from cracking gel coat to turtled sailboats? Todd TSee the original archive post
On Wed, Oct 28, 2026, 9:31 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > Hahaha, > Yeah it was pretty funny, in retrospect. Yeah a hurricane was tracking > offshore of the Delmarva but wasn’t a threat. David came down from > Connecticut with a date and had arranged to borrow the boat. I suggested > Poplar Island and the “pot” to anchor, no fetch and good holding. My bad. > Seems a couple of heavy cells were spawned and a tornado produced. It drove > a big motor cruiser probably 20’ high under the 22’ high Knapp Narrows > bridge. Quite a site. > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 28, 2026, at 10:59 AM, Graham Stewart <graham at debgraham.ca> > wrote: > > > > I wonder whether he thought this story is as funny as I do. > > > >> On 2026-10-28 11:40 a.m., Chris Geankoplis wrote: > >> Yes it was a tornado. A family friend borrowed the boat for a romantic > evening. Didn’t work out so well. He learned not to cook fondue in the nude > when a boat is capsizing. A very teachable moment. > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Oct 28, 2026, at 9:16 AM, Graham Stewart<graham at debgraham.ca> > wrote: > >>> > >>> The wind must have been incredible. > >>> > >>>> On Oct 27, 2026, at 10:11 AM, Lowe, Rob<rlowe at vt.edu> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> That is a crazy story which Chris has retold over the years. Only > time I've heard of a Rhodes turtling. > >>>> > >>>> Rob > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of > Ric Stott<ric at stottarchitecture.com> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2026 12:12 AM > >>>> To: The Rhodes Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Drainage Channel - Cracking > >>>> > >>>> That’s a crazy story Chris. Did you get the mast out too ? > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>>> On Oct 26, 2026, at 2:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis< > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> I had my first brand new (1976) Rhodes 22 for two years until a > tornado hit the boat while anchored in the “pot” at poPlar Island on the > Chesapeake. According to witnesses, the boat was knocked down and the mast > hit the shallow mud bottom and the boat was slowly “pole vaulted up and > the mast pushed all the way down into the mud. The next day we returned to > the turtled boat and undid the back stays, forstay and remaining side > stays. With a shove the boat righted itself. We climbed in and using a > couple of 5 gallon buckets, had it bailed out pretty quickly. No structural > damage, the boat floated evenly and after bailing towed it over to Knapp > Narrows. I can say with certainty the foam flotation works. > >>>>> Chris Geankoplis > >>>>> ‘76 Moonspinner ( at that time) > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2026, at 11:41 AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list< > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>>>>> I'm pretty sure the boat is unsinkable. As for a while, Stan had a > photo online of one completely full of water and still not sunk. (Only Stan > would do that.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Bob > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dr. Robert L Weiss Jr. > >>>>>> Director of Music > >>>>>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > >>>>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC > >>>>>> S/V Beach Spring > >>>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf > of Graham Stewart<graham at debgraham.ca> > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2026 11:38 AM > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes Email List<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Drainage Channel - Cracking > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or > attachments. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On my boat the lazerette bulkhead is sealed off but the bulkhead > under the companion way has what I have always thought was a drain hole. As > water intrusion below the sole is always possible, if not inevitable, it > makes sense to me that it is there. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The purpose of the foam, as I understand it, was to give the boat > buoyancy should it be swamped so it was “unsinkable “. I have not heard of > a case where that was actually tested. > >>>>>> Personally, I would grind out the crack in the lazerette and > reglass it - especially if your boat is subject to freezing in the winter. > >>>>>> I would look for cracks or holes in the cabin sole where water > might get in and fix them. > >>>>>> If there is a drain hole below the companion way, I would make sure > it isn’t blocked and then use a tube connected to a shop vac to blow air > into the cavity for 12 hours or so to dry out the cavity. If the is no > drain hole I would be tempted to make one. You don’t want water to get > trapped there. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If the cabin sole is very soft, you might cut it out to remove the > old foam and replace it. That is not an impossible job but, personally, I > would not do it unless the sole is so soft it was cracking. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Not having full flotation makes the Rhodes 22 more like every > other boat out there. Repairing fibreglass is a pita for sure but not > particularly difficult. I would be very reluctant to assume the boat is a > write off if it is otherwise ok. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Graham > >>>>>> Agile, 1976 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Oct 26, 2026, at 2:10 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA<roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi Otto, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is floatation foam under the cockpit. The foam compartment > is separated from the lazerette by the bulkhead you are asking about. If > you check in the cabin, you will find a similar bulkhead at the aft end of > the cabin back up under the step. If these 2 bulkheads are compromised, it > is possible for bilge water to move from the cabin bilge to the lazerette > and vice versa. If your cockpit/lazerette bulkhead shows damage; then, it > is likely your cockpit/cabin bulkhead is damaged as well. If you have > water infiltration into the under cockpit foam, this would be very > serious. It’s probably not a DIY repair job. Does your cockpit sole feel > “punky” or does it oil can? It should feel as rigid as a concrete > sidewalk. You should have the boat surveyed. This may cost more to repair > than the boat is worth. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>>> Sanford, MI 1978 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2026, at 6:09 PM, Otto Ohngren<ohngreno at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>>> Hello from Oregon, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My Rhodes 22 was manufactured in 1992 and factory refurbished in > 2012. It is sailed on the Columbia River near Hermiston. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cracking has developed in the cockpit drainage channel at the aft > end of the boat along the bottom exterior of the lazarette. The cracks are > on both sides of the scupper hole. They may be the result of a prior > freezing event. On the inside of the lazarette the bulkhead seems solid. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Visible from inside the lazarette below the bulkhead is a > slightly recessed parallel secondary wall, which continues to the bottom of > the hull. It is positioned near where the scupper plumbing comes through > the lazarette. The aft end of the cockpit tub floor (my term) is above that > thin secondary wall. There appears to be flotation material on the other > side of the wall. The fiberglass fabric making up that secondary wall is > deteriorated and torn. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’m wondering how common these two conditions are, how serious > are they, and what is the best way to repair them? Are the repairs > something a versatile owner with no prior fiberglass experience can > properly accomplish or are they best left to a pro? Qualified marine > fiberglass professionals, if any, are scant in these parts. I’m going to be > selling her one of these days and want to ensure these two issues are > properly remedied. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Any insight or suggestions for the good of the cause will be very > much appreciated. 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